Fireside Chat Transcript 2025 01 04
Ranger Gama:
How are you nerds doing on our first Saturday of the new year? Uh, Alterari, yeah. What can you do man? You just gotta go kick those guys in the ass when they're running. It started Sunday for you. Yeah. Well, you see that's what happens when you're on the wrong side of the planet, man. Nothing I can do about that. Yeah, so, so Darth, I hope you don't have the, the clap, man, because you know, they've got medications for that, dude. You can just see somebody, they can fix it. Let's see if we've stabalized out there. Yeah, pretty good.
Okay, first thing I'm gonna do, uh, Killer, I'm gonna throw it to you. Don't forget to unmute yourself there, man. And, uh, he's gonna talk to you guys really quick about an op that is going to be right after the fireside. Once he remembers to unmute himself, which can be a trick.
Killer 641:
Oh, yep, there we go. Yep, if anyone has anything they want to get out of Pochven from Senda, you should go in and take a filament now. We're gonna do a move-op to move stuff out of Pochven to UALX. So if you have anything that you want to move out there or from Tunudan, you can filament it now and get in your stuff. We'll be moving right after the fireside.
Ranger Gama:
Um, so Mowie no, we're not abandoning Pochven. It's just maybe some extra stuff that you don't need in there anymore.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, the meta's shifted quite a bit over the years. So, uh, you know, stuff like Ishtars, which I hear are popular in Nullsec, one of my, uh, my friends who's a recon director tells me this at least, um, and then like some of the Marauders and yeah, so just stuff you don't use.
Ranger Gama:
Uh, okay, got a note from Zintage, the return of the Strat Sacs. Let me, uh, link this for you.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/296788-active-strat-windrunners-tornados/
Uh, so we are bringing back the old Windrunners. So, for those of you who are not remembering those, we, it's been a little while since we used them. I honestly don't remember when we retired those, but they are coming back, as is the nature of Eve and the whole time is a flat circle, you know, kind of thing.
Next one is from Hyper. Goon Vegas is in two weeks, so it's not next weekend, but it is the weekend after that. There is that one.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/353243-goon-vegas-january-16-20-2025/
Uh, Victoria, are those Nados? Yes, they are Tornadoes. Yes, Windrunners is our name for Tornadoes. Uh, when is the Muninn Eagle coming back? I don't know, that's a Zintage question.
Snipereagle1:
Whenever they get puffed into relevance.
Ranger Gama:
Alright, there you go. Whenever CCP makes them not terrible, which is usually a pretty reasonable answer.
Apple Pear:
Just fly Sleipnirs.
Ranger Gama:
And, Zintage making Alterari mad? Excellent.
Okay, final kind of big announcement for next weekend. We promised you guys this a, about a month or two ago now, I guess it was. We are bringing back Locust Fleet now that we are more or less settled into our area and it's going to be all weekend. We're going to do Locust Fleet, Fleets plural all weekend next Saturday and Sunday There will be pings. There will be, SIF fleet is going to move. We are going to move coverage into a new area we are going to locust of the good old style. There are going to be quite a number of moons. And we are going to base you guys out of a new area. We are going to moon frack everything. Now, I was warned today that the moons are, the fracks are a little bit smaller than usual because we didn't get a full 56 days on them. I think it was. Uh, but the ones in February will be full fracks on it. These are mostly R64s as Kaz is saying, right? These are the good stuff so we are going to do all of those things again next Saturday and Sunday. That is the 11th. 11th and 12th.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/342958-sig-locust/
Apple Pear:
Remind everybody you don't have to be part of Locust to join in the mining. Everybody is welcome.
Ranger Gama:
Yep. So these...
Kazanir:
I'll talk a little about that actually. So for a long time ever since the end of the war really so now about three and a half years almost Uh Locust has been a sig and what we did in Delve is the alliance took a great number of the best moons, and just charged those dudes a lot to mine them, because ultimately we didn't have that many moons after redistributing the rest of space to our allies.
Uh, things have changed a lot now. We've given away something like four times the amount of moons to member corps, but we still have this whole region that is far from coverage that we want to get the moon value out of, which is in Catch. Uh, so there's a locust weekend planned every month and it's no longer a SIG based thing. The SIG is all grown up. They're going to be helping administer the fleet, getting miners to where they need to go, run the show essentially. Like Sniper said in chat, Beehive is going on a road trip. They're coming with us, so there will be beacons in the area during that time frame. Also, we don't want to shut down Beehive. They're helping with coverage, but this is a whole, the whole alliance can take a weekend, uh, sort of vacation one jump over or two jumps over in to Catch, uh, and that's, that's what we're.
So going along with that, we're gonna expect people to pay the locust taxes, which on R64s are kind of high. It's 40%, which is the metanox. It's lower for the other moon ores. So there's gonna be a post detailing that, um, the main moon mining policy post has already been updated with these changes, uh, that, that talk about this and how moons work. Uh, but we'll have more detail and like I said, the SIG is helping us out here.
They've been doing this a long time. They will help you with, with getting your stuff to where it needs to go. Uh, or telling you where that is, making contracts for taxes, all that sort of stuff. But the goal is that we're just gonna chomp down on many dozens of the best moons in that region once a month.
Ranger Gama:
I will say, when Kaz says dozens, plural, he means dozens, plural. There is a big ass pile of them.
Kazanir:
That's right, it's at least five dozen. It might be more.
Snipereagle1:
Uh, one quick correction, we're not doing beacons in Catch. Not on this first weekend, at least.
Kazanir:
Oh, okay, okay. I understand.
Snipereagle1:
So yeah, for, for our normal beehive folks, uh, and everybody else, if you're not a miner, it's a great, uh, you know, just hang out in a Redeemer, shoot the shit, shoot some hostiles. Uh, as far as mechanics go, like obviously since we had like pre war locust, uh, you know, Rorqs have been significantly nerfed. So we're going to ask that people use, uh, you know, not Rorqs on R64s, obviously have them for boosting and compression and whatnot. Um, but for actually mining rocks, uh, you should be using either T1 lasers or ores so that we're not wasting stuff.
Ranger Gama:
And he means ore, O.R.E., lasers, not. For all of our non primary English people, the O.R.E. ones that just got typed into, sorry, just got typed into Elysium. Uh, sorry, there was a, there was a question that I missed. Yeah, so, uh, Jacob and somebody else had the question as well, but taxes for these moons, as Kaz said, we'll put a post up with all of them. The MOTDs for the fleets, will have all of it listed. Um, there will be a tax collection point in the staging keepstar. You can drop all of your tax in there, and then some poor GSOL guy will have to move that. Or Gal will have to move that. We'll make it their problem. But you can collect it all in that staging point.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, and so to clarify for people, uh, it is a, it is a ore tax, not an isk tax. So you're not going to get like, an invoice of, you know, here's the isk that you owe. Um, it's going to be a, you need to give, uh, you know, 40 percent of the ore that you mined.
Kazanir:
Yeah, or whatever it is. So it's 40 percent for R64. Uh, it's let me find it real fast. It's much less 20 percent for R32 and 15 percent for R16. So.
Ranger Gama:
And if for some weird reason there's an R8 or R4 ore in there, that is free for you.
Kazanir:
Yeah.
Ranger Gama:
Don't think there are any, but sometimes the R16s, you know, can get some of those weird mixes.
Kazanir:
Yeah, because some of the moons are mixed up and they only have one or two of the mineral type. Right, so we're certainly doing the highest value moon, uh, but some of that, you know, ore prices have been totally banana in both directions the past few months. It's weird. Uh, But so there will be a variety, but yeah, if you happen to get crappy ore it's not taxed. I linked the moon mining policy thread. So this thread that I linked is up to date.
You can see I was the last edit just a couple days ago that should bring us current on what our home regions are, how moons work for member corporations, for alt corporations and for locust.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/336733-gsf-moon-mining-policy/?p=9264568
Ranger Gama:
I got there. There's a limit for multi boxer or the number of characters with this many dozens of moons, uh, Kaz, correct me if I'm wrong on there. No, go out there and mine the moon.
Kazanir:
We're not limiting it. Go crazy. We'll, we'll frack more moons. If you guys eat them up too quick and we're done by the end of Saturday, or whatever, if we're done too early somehow, we will change our operations. We want to take advantage of the whole alliance's, uh, capacity here.
Ranger Gama:
Uh, just looking for that was my entire list of things that I had to mention anybody. Um, directors, if I missed anything, please say so. Otherwise, we'll just open it for questions for everybody.
Kazanir:
Do we talk about victory in Delve?
Ranger Gama:
Oh, we did not.
We
Kazanir:
had to agenda that, but that we...
Ranger Gama:
We did. Why don't, why don't you talk about that Kaz? That was a good one.
Kazanir:
We can share that it appears our enemies have retreated from their deployments in Delve after weeks of, ineffectuality, begging our FCs to go away so that they could farm Brave, and then doing nothing when we would undock. Congratulations. Big shout out Alt. Allawa Phantom has linked the thread for the SIG that is recruiting.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/353630-squad-recruiting-all-timezones-beefl-fuck-it-we-ball/
You'll see it is named BFL because we couldn't do something normal like pick a different name from an enemy SIG. We had to pick the same one, but slightly modified. Please check that out. If you want to get active, if you want to be a Delve Goon, this is your chance. Uh, it's been very exciting to just completely shit on them at every opportunity.
Ranger Gama:
And I would like to point out for everybody that, you know, Kaz is giving, you know, BFL a hard time when he's the one who, uh, came up with the Landsraad and, well, you know, we outvoted him on that one, but, you know, we won't talk about terrible naming things.
Kazanir:
It's true that my last Dune reference was sort of a bust and I should have gone with a Mormonism reference, but oh well. This movie didn't even have the chome flag in it. I was so ready for that, but no.
Ranger Gama:
All right, guys. So that is our list of agenda items for today. Put your questions in there. Um, we'll do a little Q and A, and then we'll get, uh, yeah, and then we'll, we'll call it a day.
Snipereagle1:
Uh, one other clarification. We're starting on Friday.
Ranger Gama:
Oh, is it? Is it Friday is when they start?
Oh, okay. So clarification for everybody. Starts Friday. So Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Snipereagle1:
Friday EUTZ is when stuff fracks. So that's when we'll start.
Ranger Gama:
Uh, will I buy you twenty Widows, Altararri. No. But y'know, you might be able to sweet talk Kaz into that.
Kazanir:
I might have ignored him last time, I didn't know what he wanted.
Snipereagle1:
Ha ha ha.
Ranger Gama:
Ha ha ha.
Snipereagle1:
Toxic.
Ranger Gama:
Wow. Damn.
Kazanir:
It was in the middle of the night, to be fair.
Apple Pear:
Alterari has lots of crazy ideas all the time, so yeah.
Ranger Gama:
Uh, Belshazar, let me take a look at that thread, but it should be. Yes, that, some others are that, that you linked in there, that is the current process for AltCorps.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/317252-alt-corporations/?hl=alt+corp+application
Uh, Cassador, Irmalin move up at some point, yes, we are going to be doing one this month. We're gonna put it on the op calendar. Uh, we were talking about that today, so. Oh, sorry, you said Irmalin, I totally just messed that up. We're gonna do a gate move, um, that will be coming. Irmalin, we know that you guys have stuff there. It is something that we are going to be talking about as well.
Kazanir:
Uh, someone asked about, uh, logistics alts, hi sec alts getting into non-wardecced corps. So if that is something that you need, have your corp leadership, your Kremlin leadership, reach out to the finance team and we can make that happen. Yeah, we're going to studiously ignore all of the INIT questions, but we do want to shout out, uh, Tetrakill for wiping their fleet yesterday with a Lif. That thing had quite a motor on it If you haven't seen the video someone is gonna link it within about 15 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqAIZOBnbzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Viws1LWG28
(12:18:09 PM) casadorr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knf2413P5v4 different pov
Snipereagle1:
I'll grab it. Yeah,
Kazanir:
it's so, yes. Thank you. It is, I linked this to someone who is not an Eve player and he see complained about Eve making space boring again, and I said there's nothing about this video that is boring. Do you see all those pods being deleted? The battle report is even funnier.
Ranger Gama:
Casador you son of a bitch Fuck you, man
Snipereagle1:
Did you just get pancake catted?
Ranger Gama:
Yeah, I did that bastard. Yeah.
Kazanir:
Different POV my eye.
Ranger Gama:
Alright, Cassa, that was, yeah, that was, that was good, you, you got me, Victoria has the real link there, and then I was like, oh, second, second point of view, nope, totally fell for that one. Oh, and then, yeah, not clicking on that link, different point of view, really, yeah, sure it is.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, we had a couple good BRs this week, uh, if, if somebody has the, well, let me go find it actually, the one of Ark deleting a vulture fleet was pretty funny too.
Ranger Gama:
Faroswarrior, I don't trust you either, man. Not even sure I want to trust Kaz, sounds like something Kaz would do just to get me since I made fun of Dune earlier.
Snipereagle1:
There you go, there's the, uh, Vulture Deletus link.
https://br.evetools.org/br/6778bd0b58b975001172ded1
Ranger Gama:
Uh, Risk, so is it going, do we have a move up for the Regional Gate? No, not today, it's gonna be this month. We're gonna put on the op calendar and make a production out of it, but not today, but it is coming.
Kazanir:
Yeah, it's probably several weeks out, given that we have locus next weekend and then the weekend after is Vegas and not a lot of people will be in town, but we will get them done this month.
Ranger Gama:
And it will be on the OP calendar. Yep. We're going to post on the OP calendar for sure so everybody can see it.
In other news, the market doesn't have any widows anymore. Alright Beyond, I see how it is.
What do you mean you're going to be toxic, Alterari? Hey, I got pancake catted today. That's fair.
Uh, Malcolm just relinked the thing. Yep, Goon Vegas, not next weekend, but the weekend after that.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/353243-goon-vegas-january-16-20-2025/
Carlos, not a ban per se. It's that if you build one, we'd rather you build something else. Um, and if you're hell bent on doing it, uh, talk to the finance team.
Snipereagle1:
I think that's about it for today, right Ranger?
Ranger Gama:
Yep. Yeah, looks to me. All right, so apparently there is now going to be, um, Kaz has to teach something, which, you know.
Kazanir:
This is cool actually. Let me turn this music off. So, Moon goo has actually been going crazy, like I mentioned on prices. So, for those of you who don't know how this works, Moon goo is assembled into composites, which can make tech two ships. Or tech two ship components, uh, in two stages of reactions. Uh, but all, or almost all of those, the first stage, what's called intermediate, have an alternate version of them that instead of consuming the R64 or the R32 in the reaction, it consumes a different R8 or R16 as a substitute. Now those reactions go a lot slower. The way they work is they produce something you have to refine with scrap metal processing. And out of that, you get about 40 percent or 20 percent of what you would get from a normal reaction, and they also take twice as long. So it's a factor of between like 5 and 20. Um, but you get a lot of the other thing back. Um, and so ultimately, they're a lot cheaper to make this intermediate. Uh, and the way R64 prices have gone, if you look at the reaction sheet, which is stickied in GS_Isk, Um, someone may link it, uh, if they go look.
But the way R64 prices have been, a lot of those alchemy reactions are very profitable. Uh, and what they're good for is if you are in a situation where you're not using all your reaction slot for whatever reason, or if you don't have a lot of starting capital to go out and buy the expensive R32s and R64s, you can do the alchemy reactions instead. You make all the same intermediates, then you can make composites and sell them. Uh, so recently, that has just gotten a lot more profitable than it usually is. Uh, so it's both a great thing to start off with if you're just getting into reactions and you don't have a lot of money to invest, or if you're struggling to just go and get all the huge amount of stuff you need to keep up with the standard reactions, and you want to keep your slots in use, uh, look into Alchemy. There are tabs for it on the sheet. Yeah.
Ranger Gama:
Thinking about PI. I almost forgot about this. Uh, PI is good. We need Pi. There are templates now. Um, damn CCP put the templates in 2 days after I redid mine. But hey, you know, I'm not bitter. Uh, Sniper put a link in for his PI management tool thing. It's it's pretty cool
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/335721-planetsinspace-a-pi-management-and-reminder-tool
We we do need PI get all the get all the stuff. We're still making fuel blocks, T2 stuff needs it all of those kind of things. Is there Alliance repository of PI templates? Uh, I don't know, Sniper, is that something that's going to be in your tool, I think I remember you saying? Did I just lie?
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, so there's a handful of posts on the forum, um, it's something I'm going to add into my app. There's no, like, official ones. There's a lot of, like, There's a lot of different ways to do PI, so there's not really a, like, right template or something. Um, yeah, and like, the, hopefully they'll update it, it'll be interesting to see once CCP's back after the holidays. Um, like, the templates for extraction planets fucking suck right now, because they are specific to the product that you're making and the planet type, so that's going to be a, uh, an interesting thing and see if they address it at all.
Kazanir:
I think our PI director actually spontaneously combusted when this was released. We haven't seen him in a minute, but yeah, we'll, we'll work on this.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, it's great for factories. It's fairly clunky for, uh, extraction planets. But it's amazing for factories. Like it used to take, you know, days upon days to set up your factory planets, If you're a creature like me and have like 20 or 30 of them. Um, but it took me like three hours to do 20 or 30 factory planets. It was pretty wild.
Ranger Gama:
Uh, one thing to keep in mind, guys, if you are not aware of this, to use the templates and do all that, you have to opt into it. There's a setting. It's like future features or something like that. You have to turn that on, and then you can see all the templates and save templates. Go do that first.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, that Github link, those kind of suck, honestly. Like, they're very under, uh, I haven't looked at the extraction ones, so maybe the extraction part of it is good. The factory planet part of it sucks.
Ranger Gama:
Monseniur, so will Locust Fleet be structured or is it first come first serve thing? They're gonna be structured, right? Because we got, can't have everybody on all these different moons or just everybody's gonna die. So there will be structure to them. I'm gonna leave it at that because the military and the Locust guys are determining what that structure is, but there will be a structure to them.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, this is, this is going to be the first one of a whole new paradigm. So there's definitely going to be some rough edges that we're going to figure out next weekend. And, uh, hopefully the next one will, uh, will go smoother and we'll overcome some growing pains.
Ranger Gama:
Uh, is the glut of command centers fixed? I don't know. I mean, I, I looked at some today and there was hundreds of them on the market. So I don't, but I looked at a barren command center. I'll admit, I just looked at that one today, so I don't know about the others. If they're low, uh, we'll poke Dynex and we'll, uh, make him re-corporealate himself and get back to work, that slacker.
Uh, is any particular PI the Alliance needs? No, just kind of anything is good. Um, preferred place to sell it, the main market is in UALX.
Kazanir:
Yeah, so the alliance primarily buys P4s, and the reason is that P4s are what go into direct structure construction. Uh, so there are other, the various P2s and P3s also get used in certain finished products. Anywhere from capitals to fuel blocks, there's a whole list of PI that goes into fuel blocks. Uh, but the Alliance principally buys P4s. That said, you know, just look at the market and look at what's good for you.
The other thing to know, if you don't know anything about this, is that you cannot typically make a P4 just from scrap. What happens is you divide it into a set of extraction planets that will make either P1s or P2s, sometimes all the way to P3, and then those get sold. and a different set of people or a different set of planets for yourself called factory planets are used to assemble those into the finished product. Um, part of that is, is just because of how the fitting works and other parts of it are game mechanics. You can actually only build the P4s on barrens and temperates. So that split is how it breaks down. Um, and so you, if you're just starting out, typically people decide one or the other to focus on, and one is really about resetting your stuff often, where the rest, you know, the factory plants are about getting the other PI that you need, feeding them to the factory and getting the finished product out. So either way, there's a market for your stuff because there are both branches of those people. Um, but don't, don't set out and say, okay, I'm because Kaz said P4, I'm going to try and make those for my first outing without knowing what I'm doing. Right. Thank you.
Ranger Gama:
Lil maniac, we've got our normal corp meeting tomorrow, uh, but make sure you're communicating that to Kaz and to Zintage, our CSM guys. They're, they're your line to CCP.
Apple Pear:
Yep. Ranger has a rec. We direct all of your CSM needs to Zintage.
Ranger Gama:
Alright guys, thanks for coming out. Everybody enjoy your weekend There are a lot of handeggball games today and tomorrow. Move op from Killer is going to be coming in just a moment for Pochven, so if you guys are involved in that, keep an eye on those. Otherwise y'all have a good day.
See everybody next week
