Fireside Chat Transcript 2025 04 12
Asher Elias:
Hello everyone. How are you guys doing? How you feeling? What up,? We've got a lot, apparently a lot of Brave members in the chat with the o7s.
Apple Pear:
I thought they 7o.
Asher Elias:
Oh really? Then who's, o7ing, not Goons, I would hope. Hello? Thematic_chaos. Eagle. I know what the pubbie salute is. Yes. I, I am familiar with it. It's just not a Goon thing. Good man. Ragnar, I would believe that about AO that they make you salute. Is that a real thing though? Like, I'll believe whatever anyone says about that. No way. Really. Holy shit, dude. That's incredible. Since M2- or yeah. The World War B. That is correct. Not since the last war.
All right. So I've had some wisdom teeth extracted this week. So if I sound kind of funny, that is the reason why. Yeah, yeah. It's not been, it's not been the most fun, but I am, I have less wisdom than before.
Ranger Gama:
And for better or worse guys, none of us can tell that his wisdom has changed.
Asher Elias:
Thank you, I appreciate that. I'm actually a raster. I don't have any, uh, wisdom skills in the training.
Okay, so let's get into it. We're doing an Irmalin move-op. That is guys, is that this week or next week?
Apple Pear:
Next week.
Asher Elias:
Next week. Okay. Just wanna make sure. So post fireside next week we will be doing an Irmalin move-op. I know several of you have been requesting that. So that'll be next week after the fireside.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/calendar/event/10612-post-fireside-move-op-from-irmalin/
Hogyoku, the corporation is 10 years old as of today. It's their 10 year anniversary, so happy anniversary. I don't know what gift you get for 10 years, but make sure that you buy yourself the 10 year anniversary gift.
Ranger Gama:
I'm sure. It's a gold monocle.
Asher Elias:
Gold monocle. That's good. That is the EVE 10 year anniversary gift.
All right. So guys, I wanna talk about dreadnoughts. Our enemy is pushing dreadnoughts in a major way. We have a program to upgrade your T1 dreads to Navy or Zirnitras with a buyback. Those are available, people have been taking advantage of them this week. I wanna emphasize how much our enemy is putting into the dreadnought and how we need to be matching that and exceeding it. So if you are not working actively to build your dreadnought, even if you have two or three of them, that should be your goal in EVE right now, is to get another dreadnought and then get another, and then get one to give to a friend. Like that, that should be what you are doing with your dread, with, you know, dreadnoughts, either getting your first one or getting your fifth one. Whatever it is, keep getting more. This one is a very important one. It is very clear that, you know world war bee was fought with supers. World war III will be fought with dreadnoughts. The one after that will probably be in rifters. Okay? But this one will be the dreadnought war. So to fight that, we need you guys to have dreadnoughts and have them ready. I know Kun'mi is running a program if you're looking for the upgraded one, Internet Night. I don't have the link handy, but, that is, looks like we got one there.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/335958-capmis-capitals-store-re-opened-fully-stocked/
Dreadnoughts are extremely important for us and if we want to win the next major engagement, it will be with those ships.
Apple Pear:
Also. Dreadnoughts are in 0SHT. So if we do move ops to bring Supers back home, leave your dreadnoughts in 0SHT. Or move them there. Thank you.
Asher Elias:
There you go. CCP is doing a program with five days of free Omega. I think it's to do, what is it, capsuleer day promotion or something. But yeah, if you have some alts you want to get training for a little bit or do something with, go ahead and go to the NES. There will be five days of free omega, or you can just stack it on top of what you already have. So, worth clicking it for all of your things. This is not #ad, this is #freeOmega.
And guys, I do have a policy change to announce. We are going to no longer allow in our space any anchored bubbles. That just means zero anchored bubbles. I don't care if you're attending them. I don't care. I don't care at all. No anchored bubbles unless an FC calls for it. We've been getting too many situations where people are putting them in their pocket and I'm air quoting heavily here, their pocket and getting other people killed and then complaining because someone shot their bubble in our space. It just doesn't work that way. You can see who anchored an anchored bubble by going right clicking show info. Absolutely be a rat and report them to us. We are, we're done with that shit and I, I cannot express how much I'm tired of hearing about this. No more bubbles. If you want to defend air quotes your pocket, get a dictor or hictor, do not anchor bubbles, just end of it. Yeah, this is definitely ratting drama. If you've got ratting drama in your bingo, you definitely get a square there. Yeah, absolutely. Kill them on site. Someone has an anchorable bubble, shoot it. I don't care if they're sitting on top of it, shoot it. The only anchorable bubbles you should not shoot are if something an FC calls for. Just a free kill mail for you.
I'm getting a question in mumble, I'm gonna answer it, but generally guys, please ask your questions in Elysium, but, that is a channel on Jabber. But Zach Zachy asks, are faxes important to accompany the dreadnoughts for dreadnoughts? Faxes are less important. It's more for super titan fights. You should have faxes for sure, but that is important.
Are anchorable bubbles as bad as mtus on strat-op fleets? Yeah, just about as bad. All right.
So lemme just say to you guys that we are deep in thought, you know, on how to get you guys entertained, have maximum fun. We've been bashing our heads together and so, you know, we're looking at a lot of stuff that we can do. We had a very successful campaign. We took over the curse moon-pire relatively easily. You know, we blew up the midpoint fort for several groups and then they retreated backwards. You guys formed a really big last Monday, or Tuesday actually, and we blew up the BFL staging fort. They moved backwards. So, it's been really good progress there. And like I said, the leadership is definitely bashing their heads together as to sort of, you know, what we can do next and how to keep you guys entertained. Our number one goal is to make sure that you are having a fun experience playing Eve online. Something I've been talking, if you've been listening to, you know, Merkelchen's show, you know about our social bonds are super important and they're, you know, they're the core of what we do here, I think it's really important. So what I look to do is to get you guys entertaining stuff to do entertaining fights when we can. It does take two to tango, but also building and strengthening the social bonds are extremely important and something that I think about a lot as well.
I'm gonna go and open the floor to questions. If you guys got questions, go ahead and put 'em in Elysium on Jabber.
Alright, Kaminar. Here's your moment of silence. There you go.
Twin pipe. That's kind of annoying.
Andrevous asks, burn jita when? So the mechanics are not super conducive to burning Jita. It, it's unfortunately a lot harder than it used to be, and there's really not a good way to do it in the giant, kind of burn jitas the way we had before. That's my understanding from like Joe Painter and people who know a lot better than I do. But, it's not something that's impossible. We may do it. It's probably not gonna happen in the short term.
Should, we should go for Zirnitra and Phoenix, right? Asks CJ Zash., Zirnitra, Rev Navy and Phoenix Navy. Probably in that order is what we're looking for.
Asher, did you kill me in Mech Arena yesterday? No, I did not. Did someone have my name.
Ventana asks how is leadership feeling about systems upgrades? Happy? Looking at jigg them again? I think we're pretty good with what we have. Our guys put a lot of effort into it. They wrote some programs that figured it out. So, I think we're pretty good right now.
Doesn't mean we won't change them ever, but, yeah.
Snipereagle1:
The only thing that you might see changing is, you know, looking at the mineral market and shifting some of the, what the mining upgrades are. But where they are and how many of them there are is likely gonna stay the same.
Asher Elias:
There you go. Is there any kind of program to help people get into their first dreads for the big dread push? Training an alt at the moment, it's a long ass train says Tras. I've been encouraging corps to offer like loaner dreads so that people can take them out and do beehive stuff with them, so if you get trained up for it, you should be able to use it. If your corp has a program, you can ask them. Not every corp does, but that's something I've been encouraging. So, yeah. There's also a loan program that you can take up, Lending Bee that will help you get your first dread. And, as long as you're not incredibly unlucky, that should be a pretty much guaranteed way to pay that thing off.
Xanos Xellos says, what's the sexiest battleship in Eve and why is it the Abbadon? I would say the sexiest battleship is the battle potato. The Dominix really can't be beat.
Someone's paying 50k USD for a seat at the goon table. I don't know what that means, but that sounds like a lot of money for something.
DomiNyx fleet when? It is not outta the question, I would love to run one, put it that way.
Admiral Steiner says there's been a few times of late when cap save pings are going out, when rorqs are more than halfway through their panic timer, which has been putting a big time pressure on the save fleets on grid. Other than the policy change to anchorable bubbles, anything else we can do to improve survivability? Yeah, it's for these rorq pilots to get they're, you know, delve911 pings immediately. That's often the holdup. Sometimes someone's just not ready that instant. But that has been less of, it has been more that, you know, we, the, the pilot gets overwhelmed and they're caught, you know, and they don't do it quick enough. Another thing that's a problem is that a lot of our guys who are dying are in like, you know, the ass end of Impass, which is the hardest place for us to get to from stagers. And so they think they're being safe, I guess. I don't know. But you know, in Chinese time zone. Far away from stager is like probably the least safe you can be. So, if you wanna mine in a Rorq in an off time zone, I'm air quoting here, then you can do it two jumps from UALX or two jumps from Beehive staging. You'll actually be a lot safer doing it there than you would deep into Impass.
Yeah. And killer mentions that, you know, the hostile hictor and bubbles are sometimes on our bridges slowing people down. That's another reason to be as close as possible, especially in lesser guarded time zones.
Can we ban goons from local like the old days? It's cringe. Um, I am a big fan of not talking in local. I Think it doesn't really serve a purpose. Some people really like to, you know, hear the sound of their own voice or see it and generally those people are less good at talking in local than they think they are. So on my fleets, I tell my fleet, just don't talk in local. But you know, that's not like a policy. We're not gonna tell people they can't do that but in my own fleets, I ask them not to talk in local.
Am I saying I don't like to hear my own voice? I'm not saying that I wouldn't be that hypocritical.
Lima says, can we have more fights in EU times? And yeah, that's something we're talking about Lima. Sniper with a joke.
Snipereagle1:
No good mistype goes unpunished.
Asher Elias:
Mm-hmm. Alterari mentions I talk a lot in mumble during fleet, which is absolutely true. I try to keep my fleets entertaining.
Apple Pear:
I keep my fleets also entertained by not talking.
Asher Elias:
Different strokes for different folks.
Beyondnoxx_UNP:
Oh yeah. Apple. We thank you for it.
Asher Elias:
Dictator says, did you have info about the Horde Sword training program? Yeah. Thank you guys for the memes. The last week where the horde that wins has become a brand of cringe. That has been, I've been enjoying those all week. I know Ceema made a page where you gathered a bunch of them.
Can we leave the goons and nunchucks? I like that. Yeah.
Alright. You got any other questions? Throw 'em in there. Otherwise I'm gonna wrap it up. Lemme hear what.
I like bacon on pizza Victoria. I don't know if that's controversial. I think that's like the best topping.
Snipereagle1:
I'll climb up on the cross and say that pineapple's great.
Asher Elias:
Dude. I this, yeah, you know my take on this. This is like the least controversial controversy ever. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Snipereagle1:
What I see you for Meetup next week, don't forget, we're gonna be in middle of nowhere, throw you off a cliff.
Asher Elias:
Sniper. If you, I
Snipereagle1:
I'll order a pineapple pizza just to spite you Ranger.
Asher Elias:
You, you know what's like a good compromise Sniper is actually cooking it with a pineapple, but then taking them off, you get like some pineapple flavor, but it's not, doesn't have the pineapple on it. It is actually kind of a good compromise that way.
Snipereagle1:
What you're saying is lemonade's too spicy for you, so you'd rather have a lemon Le Croix instead?
Asher Elias:
Yeah.
Geo rich says, Asher, what is your bench personal record? I have really long arms, so, it was never particularly high, somewhere around 350. Not like my leg press numbers were always like one percentile, but my bench press was never particularly high. Not kilograms glowingbulb. I think. Yeah, I think in like high school I was like, like pressing like 1100 I think, which is pretty, pretty high number. And I just went up from there.
Is there a policy with the new bubble rule somewhere? I just announced it, but no, we haven't made a little, we haven't made a note anywhere yet. We'll have someone throw some in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guys, by the way, don't skip leg day. That's the best advice you can get. Power comes from the legs, not from the arms.
Snipereagle1:
How do you play Eve with your legs?
Asher Elias:
Hmm.
Snipereagle1:
Hmm.
Asher Elias:
What do you think? With his mouth, right? So I guess anything's possible. You could have some, you know, some grippers going down there.
Beyondnoxx_UNP:
Why do you think so many goons play without pants?
Ranger Gama:
I think that's how we get things like checkbox.
Asher Elias:
Should we report blue bubbles in intel rooms?
No, don't report blue bubbles. Just right click info, get the name, screenshot that shit, and then blow it up. That's all you gotta do. Just blow 'em up. I am really looking forward, by the way, guys, to the first person who shoots someone who's shooting their bubble. Oh, yeah. That's gonna be so good. We're gonna, we're gonna have a, like a bonfire whenever that happens. I guarantee it'll happen pretty fast.
Apple Pear:
I think people should, I think probably if people go to B9E at the moment, there are probably anchorable bubbles.
Asher Elias:
No, never shoot back off in. It's a good question. If you're being, you know, blue shot, you know, record it. Get the killmail. You're not allowed to fight back. Don't do that. It is, we will take care of it. If you shoot them back and you get in a fight with them, it muddies the water entirely. It also means we sometimes can't tell who started it. We will destroy them from orbit. If you shoot back, then probably you both get in smaller trouble. Right? That's basically how it's gonna happen. Like, so just, just don't do it. We're very serious about don't blue shoot. The person who blue shoots is the problem. And if you start shooting someone else, you are now part of the problem.
So they can touch my boat, but I'm not, I cannot touch their boat. What the hell, Asher? Says Cipher, Cipher, this is a long-term policy we've had for a very long time. The problem is like, we can't verify... if you shoot back, how are we supposed to verify that, you know, you didn't shoot them first, they didn't shoot you first. You can do logs, but you can just edit those. You have a video monitor running all the time. A lot of people don't. And even then that, that can be fake, right? So, just don't shoot them and be aware that they're gonna get banned and you're gonna get reimbursed by their corporation. So, that's all you need to know. It's not a dick measuring contest. If some blue shoots you it, it's them goon fucking, and we take that extremely seriously. So if you die to someone blue shooting you, you've already won. You have won more than you could ever win by shooting them back.
Apple Pear:
I also have a bubble update. Atrium has put HICs on shit stack SRP. So, if you want to bubble gates use HICs.
Asher Elias:
There you go. Cool. Alright, productive meeting. And I will see you guys next week.
I'm gonna answer Bane's question, but thank you guys for showing up. Bane says, when we'll be able to build avatars again? We are still replacing them. Bane, if you want to build an avatar, we will get you one and you can build another titan. A more useful Titan. And that will probably be the case for years to come because we have far too many avatars and it is the worst Titan by a pretty large amount. Molok is not banned. Yeah. BP with the quick link.
https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/337959-gsf-policy-avatar-production-ban/
Which is the most useful titan says Admiral Steiner, um, Levi, Erebus, Ragnarok, probably in that order. You could flip Erebus and Levi, but, it's that order. Erebus Levi, Levi, Erebus, then Ragnarok. You know, we encourage you to get one of those three and not an avatar. We don't make avatars like illegal. If an avatar, you know, makes your heart flutter, then chase it. It's still a titan. It still has a dooms day. It's not worthless. It's just the worst of the four by a bit and by a good bit. But it, it is pretty bad. But when we have so many more avatars than any other ship. And that's the other problem is that when you are that avatar heavy people start tanking against avatars, which means that you're gonna get the, you know, less DPS, your dick will get smaller 'cause you're on a, you know, a Zkill and the number is lower. And that's so embarrassing to you guys. So there's many reasons not to have an avatar.
Ranger Gama:
Plus we'll make fun of you.
Asher Elias:
And as Kun'mi said, to be clear, if you want an avatar, you can have one. No problem. We're just not building new ones. So the, so basically if someone wants to build an avatar, we acquire an avatar for them. They build a Levi for us, and they give us the Levi, we give 'em the avatar. You built a titan. It's the same thing. We just have increased the number of useful, more useful titans then, than what we had before.
Yeah. Uh, Titan prices probably will go down, Dictator. But for, for now, well, I shouldn't say probably. CCP said they wanna bring that number down a little bit and they have not done a very good job of doing it. So, we'll see.
I traded my avatar for a Levi. No we're not building new ones, Rothana. It's just if someone is, has the material to build a new titan, we do not have them build an avatar.
Kun'mi says they're already down. Just not as much as anyone expected I, or as everyone expected. I think that basically my understanding is that it's still the bottlenecks that CCP introduced are the real issue, and those have gone up, which has offset some of the mineral reductions.
What super is the best? That one is probably a little less clear. I would say the Nyx is probably the right answer. None of them are as far behind in my opinion as the avatar is for the Titans. They all have something to recommend them. And yeah, if you don't want to lose your ship, Wyvern or Aeon, probably those get shot last. Hels and Nyxes get shot first, but they do the most damage.
And then, Celine Hope says the best super is five dreads, which is probably the most accurate answer.
Heidi throws out Aeon Wyvern, then Nyx Hel, and then a question mark. And once again, yeah, I would say for supers, just get what you want. But Nyx is definitely our, probably slightly the best, but it's really not that big of a difference.
What would CCP have to change about the avatar to bring it up to speed with the rest of the titans? It, it's basically treated as though it's a tanky ship when it is not. That's sort of the number one problem is they treat it like, like it is a very tanky titan, but it, it's not a tanky titan. And, the guns do have range, but they don't do a lot of damage at range. So, you know, you've got more tank in every ship except for the Erebus. But if you're dual taking the Erebus, which is what we do, then the only thing the Erebus is works out is, is it is incrementally worse at absorbing dds, but we're talking about maybe one dd worse. However, if you're getting any reps on, which is what's likely to happen in a major fight, you will have people repping you. Like, I'll be clear, your titan's still gonna die if you get primaried. They're, they, we don't save titans, we just slow them down. But if there are any reps on you, then the Erebus reps way better than the avatar.
So the avatar has a larger armor tank and a very slightly slight advantage in overall EHP. Um. So if it's an absolute alpha strike, the avatar is maybe maybe like one DD better. But if there's any reps hitting you which there will be in a major fight, then your Erebus will actually live longer than an avatar and in some cases significantly longer. Like if it's being gunned down, the Erebus is way, way better at that.
So, yeah, so the avatar would have to. I think probably the best thing they could do without really making them overpowered at all would probably just to give the guns a little more range. Like if your long range guns a little more damaged, avatars would have use as sort of a, a sniper vessel with instant application. They could be, you know, if you added. 15% damage to the long range guns, maybe even 10 that would, that would and change the hull for the better. And then maybe, maybe 10% range to the guns too. I'd have to look at it. I mean, I wasn't, you know, prepping for how to balance an avatar, but that'd be something like, that would probably be not something that would throw it outta balance, but would bring them back into, parity with the other ones a little better. Right now, they just don't have a, they don't have, like, the Aeon is the Armor tanker, but the avatar is not really the armor tanker for Titans. I mean, theoretically it is, but it isn't really. So once they introduced the, the stacking penalty to fax reps, the avatar became significantly worse. And, the Erebus became significantly better. And the Erebus has by far the most useful. What is the link for the Titan called, I can't remember. You know, the Titan links. Burst or whatever they're, I can't remember the actual name for those things, but yeah, the phenoms, thank you. The phenom generator. The Erebus has by far the most used phenom generator.
The avatar is, mm, I dunno if it's the worst phenom generator. That might be the Ragnarok. It's kind of, it, yeah, it's, it, yeah. It's probably the Ragnarok has the worst phenom generator. The Erebus has the, be the, the best one. The Levi is the second best one. The avatar is third, but like a distant, distant third. So it doesn't really offer much. And, yeah.
Shit stack for T1 battleships. I do not know the answer to that. Masana maybe we'll introduce that. I'll, I'll throw it on the agenda. We can talk about it.
Bus Levi, avatar rag, Enos. As far as phenoms, that's probably right.
Yeah. I will say, Jason, that a little CPU on the Erebus would go so long towards fitting it, fitting those things. I fiddle with Titan fittings a decent amount of, time and Erebus are by far the hardest to fit. I will say avatars are nice because they're easy to fit and they're, their, their fits are just stupid simple. The, probably, probably the easiest to fit is probably like the rag and then the Levi, but the avatar is not too bad for our armor ship.
One character with eight dreads, or two characters with four dreads. Two characters with four dreads, yes. That would, that's the easy, the easiest answer of my life.
Should get all my alts in dreads or dreads and faxes. So I don't know how many alts you have, gal menin, but if you had five, I would say four dreads and one fax would be the ratio. I'd probably go four. Something like that. Eight characters of one dread. Each is easily the best one. Faxes are harder to multi-box as Kun'mi says in a major fight with dreads, they're less useful. With supers, they're way more useful, right? So supers and titans faxes are killer good. In a dread battle. They're more gonna be used for the sub caps. Obviously, you're not repping dreads most of the time. They have to come outta siege and not jump. So, it's more niche to rep a dread with a FAX, but you do need them on the battlefield. So yeah, I've had five characters. I'd probably go four and one, but I would change that, train that fifth one also for a dread in case we don't need any of them, which is gonna be the case sometimes.
Yeah, dreads are extremely easy to multi box. Also, if you, become a, like a filthy, like five or eight boxer, then you can basically just have your own dread wing where you're killing your own target, which is kind of fun and cool. Especially with like Zirns and Phonixes, that becomes a real thing that you can do. Obviously most people are gonna be following the primaries, but, we have guys who have like, oh, I've got 12 Zirnitras, and they just pick their own three targets and they kill them themselves, and not following the, the main three primaries. And we're fine with that because that's a, a good way to split damage. So, if you get to be one of those ballers who are running that kind of setup where you're running like eight or 12 Zirns or Phonixes or even RNIs, that is a, a very doable and powerful thing you can do.
Kun'mi recommends RNI rather than PNI for multi boxing. But yeah, I think the Zirn is probably the best multi boxing dreadnought and I think it's probably not close.
And then I just say, yeah, RNI, PNI behind that. But Zirns and multi boxing go together really well. I'm currently training a bunch of them myself.
All right, well, I got caught up with a few more questions. Thanks to to those of you who stayed around and, I'll ask answer one more.
Mach one says, Zirns are still easier to train. Yeah, they are actually pretty easy to train relative to other dreads. They're simpler for your character to get to. So there are a ton of advantages to it all.
Guys, thanks for coming. I will see you all next week. Have an excellent week and I'll see you out in the field.
