Fireside Chat Transcript 2025 06 28

Asher Elias:

Charlotte asks. FFA once the keep is dead? Yeah, we'll figure something out. We'll have your FCs warp you.

How do you feel about the loss of my Rifter? Pretty upset.

Why faction gyro? Yeah. I got faction, gyros, polarized, pyro. I want it to be on the top damage, but, didn't work out that way.

Should have left earlier to get here. I mean, we're here. It's dying, Thematic.

Since surgical strike reverse, do you want to try to break the subcap damage record again in C-J? I know what you're asking about, we could do that, yeah.

Don't ask about home systems. There's not, there isn't home systems anyway, but.

Will you sing the Goons anthem? No, I will not be singing to you guys. I think we have a couple famous singers in channel. They probably would like perk up with the idea.

Approximate timeline for all the random PVE stuff, ratting, mining, beehive stuff in our new space. Yeah, so we're working on that right now. We will, be meeting after this as well. Getting that sorted out, nailed down. Basically the, like the last week when we devoted to getting, you know, Brave out is, we, I essentially did nothing else other than that.

Heidi ZXC:

I don't think we've had a singer since Sand Dragon fucked off.

Asher Elias:

Someone filamented and actually got to the keep. Yeah, it makes sense.

Updates on sumo sponsorship. Yeah, we haven't looked into that. We might Aaaaa chain or something when, when the keep blows, something like that.

Ranger Gama:

So update on the Palatine keepstar. We've been evacuating Delve, and doing everything, so yeah.

Asher Elias:

When will the corp system allocation list be dropped? It's being worked on right now.

Is this the last move? We don't have any plans for like, new, places to live, Estraya or Estaria. That doesn't mean we won't like deploy or go to a keepstar or something like that, that might happen. But, as far as a new home, this is the last plan for it. Yes. But also, yeah, VFK by Christmas.

Ranger Gama:

I think that's pretty harsh that you're trying to demote Asher after he lost his prized Rifter man, that's cold-blooded dude.

Asher Elias:

Who's your favorite shit talker during your fleets and why is it me? I, I appreciate good shit talker.

Yeah, we're kicking KarmaFleet. I'll be notifying Merkelchen.

What the things that made a draft, about it other than, a guy who would've been picked in the second round.

Cassador says, I'm having fun in EVE. Do you think the general vibes are pretty bigly improved as of late with all the content? Yeah, I, I've actually got a lot of dms from you guys saying like, you're really enjoying yourself. That's, that's very good. I'm happy to hear that.

Yeah. Welcome to the Perma War. We're getting shit set up. We're gonna get jump bridges down, we'll get, you know, structures dropped, all that kind of stuff. There'll be a little pause here, but, I think things are gonna be very exciting going forward. And that was the goal. You gotta put in a lot of effort to get there, but that's the goal.

Tell John Hartley to break his invul. Yeah. He will be, but he is gonna do it closer to when the keeps dead.

How's the neutrals move op going? What's that mean, Booty Smackarack?

Delve 911? Yeah, same thing. Same as when we get the, you know, beehive going. We'll get Delve911 going.

Snipereagle1:

Bingo bait. SMH.

Asher Elias:

Probably. Yeah. You know, treat all the questions as though they're serious.

Can I jump a titan in to DD for the final blow? I mean Talion, if you want to lose a titan, you'll more welcome to jump it in and DD, you can lance a keep, or that is possible. You'll probably get a lot of rifter kill mills and then you would lose the Titan. Is it worth it? It's up to you. It's your Titan.

Why are we not doing a massive conga line? Because they're bombing, so we don't wanna make it a nice target for the bombs. Also, can you imagine trying to organize a conga line in this?

Snipereagle1:

We couldn't organize getting here without TIDI. You guys think we could organize a conga line today?

Asher Elias:

Honestly, I was surprised how bad the TIDI was.

Snipereagle1:

I wasn't.

Asher Elias:

And then we're fine. We got everyone here and the thing's not halfway done. So

Ranger Gama:

Unru, I think that's how you say your name. Dude, we have not picked the factory system for PI yet. I'm gonna throw Beyond under that bus. And so he'll fix it out.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. Like a lot of these questions guys, we were working out today, so, and we would've been, had the meeting already, but, you know, we were doing this. So we'll have like, you know, industrial stuff and, and all kinds of things like that, you know, figured out start happening today. There's a lot going on. You know, allies need new space, need to transfer. There are all kinds of stuff. It's, there's a lot happening and it's stuff that you guys really shouldn't have to worry about as far as it's just, director stuff that's super boring. Space paperwork, but it does take time.

Did the other alliances reach out to you to join in killing the 1DQ Keepstar , Bane of the Galaxy? So the Rifter thing was just something that I came up with and that, you know, we'll extend the invitation to everyone. So we never talked to any of 'em, but, you know, a lot of them decided to come on their own. But yeah, we didn't have any kind of, any communication with them beforehand, really. Once we put it out, it seems like people really liked the idea. CCP ran with it. They sent out, you know, a bunch of, I don't know. They tweeted and they put it on Instagram, apparently. Yeah. Apparently Gobbins is telling people not to, camp along the way. That's cool.

Please don't rush it. Time spent now for good decisions will pay for the line member 1000 x. Arch inquisitor, you're a smart dude. That's what we were doing.

Snipereagle1:

This guy gets it. Find this guy a space job.

Asher Elias:

You've just been promoted, sir.

Heidi ZXC:

Fucked up you have.

Beyondnoxx UNP:

I could use some help with the super s-mart, if he's willing.

Asher Elias:

But Yeah. We kind of rushed things a little in UALX . I, I have been in the box very high with our guys. I've been trying to push them to go as fast as possible, but, they are right. We need to just spend time getting, you know, getting things done correctly.

Not getting deflections. Should we overheat? You'll be fine.

Will CCP make a memorial outta this? Potentially. There's a good chance.

Why the Keepstar in C-J has a French name? So the name is a play on the famous work of the mid-century surrealist René Magritte who drew a picture of a pipe, painted a picture of a pipe, and then wrote below it. This is not a pipe. And, except in French, it's like peep, which rhymes with keep. So it is, this is not a keep. But then some goon who's some Philistine and didn't understand the reference, remembered the meme was keeptar, changed it to, this is not a keeptar, so it doesn't rhyme anymore. But that's why the name is what it is.

Ranger Gama:

And Asher is just too nice to say that that was Kaz who screwed that up. We'll just throw Kaz under that bus. He's not here.

Asher Elias:

He normally would get something like that, but yeah.

I cannot pronounce the name of our home. Please help. You know, you can just say C-J though.

When are we deploying ansiblexes? 20 something days, right? Yeah. It depends on when we took the system. Yeah. So 20 something days is a reasonable guess.

Snipereagle1:

35 days from whenever a system got SOVed.

Asher Elias:

Yeah.

Can we get another Keepstar for Nom Nom in our new area? Yeah, we're gonna name one for him for sure. Can I rename C-J? Not on my main character. I'd have to log into another one. That sounds like a lot of work.

You're super busy after we've all moved in. Please remember our crippling addiction to moons. This is not something we have forgotten. Like we're, we're like in the lab looking at maps, drawing lines on them. It's all very, boring stuff. But, I assure you, we are working very hard on getting this done as soon as possible. Also, you know, making sure military stuff happens as well.

Ranger Gama:

And we all know what happened last time we gave you people maps. So yeah, we're not gonna give you guys a edit map again.

Snipereagle1:

What do you mean you people?

Asher Elias:

Will we run crab beacons in M-J? Well that's not their staging anymore, right? So no.

Will we bring the faction fort with the names of the players that died. Yes. So we will have the memorial fort put up for it.. That will be happening. Yes. We're not gonna be put up the faction fort like, like we had in 1DQ, but we'll put up the memorial fort for sure.

Ranger Gama:

Ceema, if you're on comms, you've gotta send me a link for that. There's brand new hot off the presses Ceema stuff for you guys.

Asher Elias:

Can you give Podrick an opportunity to shout a proper Texas Yeehaw when the keep tar blows up? Maybe.

Who do you identify more with? Pinky or the brain? That's a good question. I always like Pinky, but I guess I identify more with the brain. Eh.

Are we continuing strategic stance or we're moving into peace time stance now asks Rocco Monkey Bone. Read the, MOTD of Elysium Rocco and you will, have our answer. Welcome to the Perma War.

When Keepstar dies, well, we're gonna figure out something. Just please do not shoot goons unless you're told to.

As someone who's witnessed snipereagle1, brodog and Ranger Gamma, Kun'mi and many others sitting in the channel for eight to 10 to 12 hours per day. I understand the questions about timelines. I can say that they're working far too much on this as fellow line member just chill and understand things will happen when they happen. Yeah. And it's, our guys are putting a lot of effort in those people named, especially have been putting a lot of effort in. But I understand that you guys want stuff done and, and you're, you know. From your perspective, it's like, why isn't this happening? So I just wanna give the answers that we can. But yes, that is essentially what's happening.

If you had Kirby's power and you could suck anyone to gain their powers, who would you suck? How long do you need answer this question about sucking before you get there. Meraki.

Snipereagle1:

Jesus Christ.

Ranger Gama:

Wow, damn.

Asher Elias:

Do steak and pickles go together? What? No. Who puts steak and pickles together?

Ranger Gama:

Well, clearly not Asher. They're too spicy on those pickles.

Asher Elias:

It's like my man would have a well done steak or something.

Snipereagle1:

Put ketchup on it, probably.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. Gross.

Ranger Gama:

Full two. Hotdog and mayo. What is wrong with you, dude?

Snipereagle1:

You'd be so proud, Asher. I made steaks for dinner last week and my 9-year-old ate an entire New York strip with just salt and pepper.

Asher Elias:

Nice. Raise them up right.

Will there be Irmalin move ops? Certainly not many of them. We'll probably try to get to..

Yeah, you're right. Magee is Belgian. My bad apologies. He wrote in French, but he was Belgian.

What will happen to Omist people? No plans right now hell raiser, like, we're not on that space, so it's not something that like we plan to take or no, no current plans.

Do we have an ammo truck? I ran out of ammo. I mean, that's why we did arty, because you should not be running out of ammo with Arty. Did you bring auto cannons? If you look at my loss mail, I had auto canons. I believe I had 45,000 hail, so I was ready for it.

John Hartley:

You cheated, you reshipped.

Asher Elias:

Yes, that is true. What happened? Usually Asher fit doctrine has no room in the cargo. Yeah. Our lazy guys only wanted to fit out, what is it? 1800 rifters and didn't want put the cargo full. Unbelievable.

Ranger Gama:

It was 2000.

Heidi ZXC:

I believe we just goon fucked that link is what happened.

Ranger Gama:

So the thing from Ceema, like, it should be good guys. Give it a second.

Asher Elias:

I do wanna shout out Procurement. Like, let me, lemme just a scenario out when we were defending Delve, un anchors, and I want to talk about that for a little bit. When we were defending Delve unanchors had, I don't know, a week, was it? Yeah, yeah. A week of un anchors to Defend 24/7. And if the enemy reffed a shield, ref, then the un anchor stopped. So basically we had to be on vigil for 24/7. Now, one of the things I try to do is I try to think what would I do to make this as hard as possible? So I was like, what I would probably do is just get a bunch of redeemers. I would just shoot the structure. And then if they came to stop me, I would just jump to the next one in another system and keep doing that. I would conduit around and just be a major pain. So I'm like, Hey, procurement, can you guys get me like 500 Goku bombers so that we could follow them if they do that? And they did. They shipped, they built, shipped 500 fit bombers to E3OI. Now the enemy like basically never did this, and so we never had to use them. So there are now 500 fit bombers in E3OI that'll probably go into asset safety. I don't know what'll happen to 'em to be honest, but they're, they were there and ready to go. And that's the kind of like unseen work that you guys might not, why would you see it? But they were ready for that eventuality. We were prepared. And it never even happened. So I wanna shout out like guys like procurement, who do stuff like that to be ready for stuff when it doesn't even happen.

So, let's talk about the unanchoring in Delve. We, I believe I have a log of me saying it. I said I thought 35% was an optimistic number, what for us to get out. We ended up getting about 97 or 98%, including every Keepstar we unanchored, every Sotiyo. And the, only thing that we lost that was a major valuable was one faction fort that got scooped and then the carrier or the freighter got scooped or killed, I should say. So that was a bigger success than we could have imagined. And a lot of that was that you guys were there, asked you guys to plex your CAD alts, a lot of you guys did that. You guys were there 24 7. And whenever they formed up, we went and we basically oppressed them. And the only thing they got off was they got off a ref on a Keepstar that we had already sold. So it was, we'd already made the deal to sell it, but we hadn't transferred it yet. So that one was a pretty amusing one for us. But that was their major thing that they did. So the success rate there was immense, incredible. And our allies who were here ended up scooping so many of their structures that they're gonna use now to move. It was a real big deal. I wanna thank those allies too, because they were prepared to, you know, lose a lot more. And basically I got very little to no complaints from them. They were all ready to go. So shout out to the allies that moved. Shout out to like the good attitude they had about it, about moving forward, about us, you know, the plans we have for the future. So I wanted to especially call them out and say thank you guys, who helped to defend them, helped get that stuff un anchored and helped scoop it. It was a hugely successful operation. Like it was incredibly, incredibly impressive.

Alterari Phoenix:

I wish you guys were in command to hear me going, I can't believe we just did that, over and over again.

Snipereagle1:

That's the wildest part, right, is like, we basically did the same thing nine months ago when we left Delve and just like pulled the plug on everything, basically all at the same time. And yeah, we got away with it twice. Hopefully we never have to do it again. Knock on wood.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. Yeah. That is like extremely unfun actually to do.

Beyondnoxx UNP:

Yeah.

Apple Pear:

If only Horde doesn't keep losing? That's, that's just the issue.

Ranger Gama:

I wanna say it was really entertaining when I got poked the other day that you guys had put so many CAD alts in, we maxed out the CAD Alt Corp and I actually had to be not lazy and train another skill level. So that was great to see. Speaking of that, if you don't have your CAD alts, get a CAD alt you lazy bastards.

Snipereagle1:

Excellent. Shameless plug Ranger.

Ranger Gama:

Thank you. I do try.

Linemember:

Are there still gonna be CAD alts?

Asher Elias:

Go ahead and just ask in Elysium guys.

Snipereagle1:

So we have a long time honored tradition of keeping up the irony of having things named after places we used to live.

Asher Elias:

Yep.

Snipereagle1:

So, yes, CAD Alts will forever be CAD Alts, Delve911 will always be Delve911.

Asher Elias:

Shout out to the West Declan Baptist Church.

Snipereagle1:

Yep. Ju standing, et cetera, et cetera.

Asher Elias:

Can we use CAD Alts to attack Horde from the north? Yeah, so that's a pretty good idea. Anyway, it's a good idea. We have some ideas for what to do with CAD alts. We'll announce that. Right now they are staged in what are we in TCAG, I believe TCAG.

Ranger Gama:

Correct.

Asher Elias:

Cad related question. Will the contract sent back to CAD ALT corp be accepted? I don't know the answer to that.

Alterari Phoenix:

You should keep your CAD ship.

Asher Elias:

Weasel says, Asher, what's your take on Gobbin's latest announcements? Thank you for the softball there, Weasel. I don't mind being set up. I think Gobbins is on a little bit of tilt. I don't want to like, I don't wanna come out here and celebrate things that we haven't done yet. Like we, we did very good in Delve, right? We did really good in taking new space. We've done very well, but you know, we haven't done shit as far as like going into their space, you know, taking anything, of, in the drone lands, all that kind of stuff. So, no victory laps, no hubris. I do think Gobbins is definitely on a little bit of tilt from the way he's been pinging this week. But, you know, that means that maybe he gets, gets, you know, a set on right next week. You know, you don't know. So, but yeah, there, there's definitely been a lot of cope going on this week.

What was his announcement? Are you talking about this new stager from last fire side? So Thematic, it was posted on Reddit yesterday, and then he, he pinged earlier this week. It's just been a like, you know, it kind of like I was saying last night, it reminds me of like, he, he's become all this stuff that he said that he hated. Like, he's like, he's very much Mittani-like, except he doesn't have the charisma that Mittens had. Right. He's on the spin master, but he can't do it as well.

Is it true Horde is flying maelstroms now? Yes, it is true.

Yes. We bullied small alliances. That was one of my favorite parts about it.

When are we hitting the PDS? Unfortunately there is no PDS fitted.

Snipereagle1:

The Keepstar is in maximum party mode. It's all target painters and firework launchers.

Asher Elias:

Why did Horde get Matari doctrine and we don't? Yes, Alex? I, I like maelstroms. They're just not good. Why do you fly the maelstroms, do you think? We have some guesses, but like, we honestly don't know. And they have not worked out really well. You know, if they work out really well, then Horde can post on Reddit about how they had a genius plan and what, you know, explain it to us, but we haven't seen it yet.

I'm being attacked by CCP Jotun right now. Yeah, the Polaris is attacking me.

Linemember:

Is that cue for us all to shoot him?

Asher Elias:

I don't think you can.

John Hartley:

Get fucking awoxed by a dev. What the...

Asher Elias:

All right. Lemme see what other questions we got. Yeah, so Alpha Fleet, the problem is the Maelstrom is just not a very good doctrine right now. I've definitely looked at it a lot and it was very perplexing because I kind of like tongue in cheek have been telling our fitting team that I wanna start doing maelstroms and they all just lose their mind. Last week I insisted they make me a Rattlesnake doctrine, and then they're all like, that's the terrible idea. I'm like, well, yeah, but I want a rattlesnake doctrine. I will say we are in discussion about one doctrine, maybe bringing back an older doctrine, that might be announced pretty soon. We'll see. Yeah, we have like a lot of things up in the air right now, but, lot of guesses, a lot of people guessing. It is not Baltecs. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna go through the whole list, but it's not Baltecs because the meta is just not very good for Baltecs right now.

Apple Pear:

I, I'm so happy we're getting an ANI doctrine.

Asher Elias:

Shut up Apple.

Snipereagle1:

Bingo.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. The problem with Baltecs is that they're like a good tracking battleship. Which is good against things that you want to track. But if your enemy is in like Rokhs and Maelstroms, you don't need to track Rokhs and Maelstroms like that. Baltec bonus is basically wasted. So when there was like a HAC meta and things had low sig or like tengus, afterburning Tengus, stuff like that, like Baltecs really excel in an environment like that. But if you guys have seen what the enemy's doing, there's not, no Tengus flying around, AB Tengus that we're fighting. There's not, Muninns or anything like that. There's a mainline doctrine, and that's where you can expect to see a Baltec doctrine. They don't do a lot of DPS for a battleship. They don't have particularly good range especially for a rail battleship. So it's not, it's not a great doctrine for that kind of thing. I do love talking doctrines. I don't know if people like to hear about it, but, it is some of my favorite stuff to talk about.

I want more nano fleets? Yeah, I mean, it's a weird time because like our battleship fleets, like are actually pretty mobile. Like the Raven Navys are like surprisingly mobile for a battleship fleet. But yeah, nano fleet umprobably, not likely.

Alterari Phoenix:

Can I ask you a question Asher? You can. One second though.

Asher Elias:

Lila says, can we talk about nightmares please? I don't like nightmares, Lila. I know, BFL runs them, I think. But I, I just not a big fan. What'd you wanna ask Alterari?

Snipereagle1:

Runs away in them recently.

Alterari Phoenix:

Do you own a T2 Cargo Expander BPO?

Asher Elias:

I do not. I should have.

Alterari Phoenix:

I think we need to get you one for Christmas.

Asher Elias:

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Some of you're like, say no. I imagine being wrong about nightmares. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I know that some people like them, I think. So here's something to talk about. This is like a meta thing. Obviously some of you listening are not in goons, so, but for the majority people who here are in goons, and if you are in goons. We will have to be tanking the agro. So that means that generally we're not gonna fly like a Barghest doctrine because you can't fly a Barghest into the middle of the enemy fleet. It needs to be away. So that's like sort of one of the things that we give our allies is that we give them the ability to fly those sort of like cool doctrines that cannot be the anvil. They can be the hammer, right? Goons are going to be the anvil, like it's gonna be like crash upon our rocks and be broken. So, and, that is a pun. Yes. So a Barghest doctrine, a Nightmare doctrine. Those are more something that you engage as a third party. And I'm air quoting here doctrine rather than as the central doctrine of a fleet. And so we will probably as Goons be filling that role where we are going to be going in the middle and we'll be tanking for our allies.

Artimus Kelin says, hit me harder. Exactly.

All I'm hearing is Drake. That is a potential.

What are your thoughts on PH dropping dreads instead of taking an even vulture fight? I mean, they're welcome to drop dreads if they want to. We have dropped dreads before. Obviously we don't do it to the same length they do, but that's sort of a, a doctrine thing as far as not ships. But as far as our plans, like, we like to take fights that are more even, they like to take things that are dunks or, you know, where they can get easy kills. So that's like important to them. But I think at this point, things are becoming more and more strategic, and I certainly think that they feel like their home is threatened. So I doubt that anything like that will change. If they feel like they can do it, they will.

A Paladin not to eat. One is a healer and a tank. I, I liked playing those kind of classes. I don't know about you guys. In Elysium, which do you prefer? Do you prefer playing a mage, a warrior slash tank or a semi, like someone in the middle or, yeah, a healer priest. But yeah, I always prefer playing one of those classes that can do like magic and combat. Yeah, whatever has lots of utility. I like that too.

Blade Builder says the counterstrike has taken many years to plan and I can feel us slowly driving the knife already. Yeah. So a lot of you guys have been sort of feeling the difference in, you know, what where we're at two or three years ago and where we're at today and it's been a lot of building. Um, you know, X-up if remember going up north to help B2. Put an X in Elysium, if you remembered that.

Here's something. Y in Elysium, if that was before your time, if you joined after we fought up north, against, Horde and Frat. Interesting. Cool. So the reason that we did that was like we wanted to have, like a new alliance in EVE online, right? Like we thought that would be a very good thing, like an alliance that can grow up and fill it. And Horde and Frat decided to just crush them. And in doing so, they drove B2, Brave, and others basically into the Imperium. Like they forced them to do it. And that's part of the reason we're here today. So if you were, related or part of the B2 Coalition and are now with us, put B in fleets or put a B in Elysium, I should say. So the Bs that are showing up are people that would not have been here otherwise, if it weren't for the actions of Frat and Horde most likely, right? So it's interesting to see how your actions can affect things years down the line, but that's part of the reason that we're here, is that we want up and said, hey, we want to help you. We like, we wanna be your ally. We wanna fight with you. We were talking about this on the, Merkelchen podcast stream yesterday. Like one of the things, one of the reasons that Brave become allied with us is because Horde demanded that, you know, for them to surrender that Brave could never talk to the imperium again in perpetuity, like forever, which is just the most ridiculous demand you can imagine. And obviously they were like, but no. Like that's, that's insane. So, stuff from the past has led us to where, why we are here today. And we had to do a lot of, we had to do a lot of like, shit eating, to be honest. Like to get things in the place where they need to be. Like we had to tighten our belts, we had to fix our finances. We had to do a whole lot of stuff to get us to the point where we are today.

Someone dmd me to ask if I know where corps are being placed. Yeah, that's being worked on. I know you guys are very eager to know this and we will have it to you as soon as possible. I promise you we trying to get it done ASAP.

Snipereagle1:

As corp leadership meeting tomorrow. All of the directors and stuff from Corps and we're gonna talk more about it tomorrow.

Asher Elias:

Internet Night says Asher, my dude. Brave dudes have amazing move ops out of 04T. They're cool dudes. Yeah, we like working with Brave a lot. I mean, there's no ally right now that we don't like working with, so, I am very happy with where we are, essentially just about every situation. There are some things we can improve, but like the difference I feel between now and a few years ago is really huge.

Want to buy Amarr Battleship doctrine. Possibly, possibly.

Snipereagle1:

It's a bummer 'cause like the meta right now benefits a lot from EWAR, but, armor sub sub works, that's not. Armor Subcap logi is still not great.

Asher Elias:

Bhaalgorns when? . It's not Bhaalgorns unfortunately. We tried those. They are just not good. And I never say never. You never know what'll happen in this game. But yeah, it's not, it's not for sure. Like for a while.

I would like an armor doctrine again, my guardian is so rusty. Yeah, so we're looking at that. But like it's definitely the opinion of most people that shield is in a better position than armor right now. It doesn't mean armor can't be used though.

Just checking the percentage of the keep right now guys, 25% less. So yeah, we still some time here.

Typhoon doctrine when? That's a possibility. I like typhoons a lot. That's one of my favorite ships. So Typhoon are possible.

Mach fleet's never gonna happen. It's like not gonna happen until CCP changes something about Machariels.

Dominix doctrine. Now we're feeling good.

Ranger Gama:

I have no idea what you've just done to Asher there.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. By the way, incursions, we're gonna have a lot of incursion space now, so.

Alterari Phoenix:

Well Zintage is AFK Asher, we can just sneak it in, don't tell.

Asher Elias:

Yeah, good point. I think Zintage is building a deck or something right now.

Opinion about Typhoons, we talk about it a lot. I think, like, so part of like the thing we have to discuss when we're making doctrines, and this is something like Zintage talks about with me, is like, you're not making a doctrine strictly for like the best FC, you're making a doctrine for every FC. And so that's like a concern that you have to, there has to be a level of, ease of use, I suppose is the right word.

Alterari Phoenix:

You make the doctrine for worst FC on the bench, so basically you model it after my capabilities.

Snipereagle1:

Oh god. What's this video John?

Asher Elias:

Typhoon. Is it gonna be typhoons or a bad doctrine? No hubris. I told you John, don't clip that.

Snipereagle1:

Oh, classic. It's not a clip. It's a whole video.

Asher Elias:

It's a different uhhuh. That was a satisfying moment. 'cause they had been shitting on our typhoon. It's like the concept for a while. It, you know, they're fair to do the same thing to us. If they, if they just like cleaned the floor in, with us in Maelstroms, like I would be totally fair for them to do the exact same thing to us because we have been just like, just ragging on them since they announced it.

Geddons, says Rocco Monkey Bones, they have bonuses they get now it's the new Domi Bhaal cross. The problem with Geddons, and this is the problem with like several ships, is that they do two things mediocre, right? You really want a doctrine that does at least one thing well, and Geddons don't do particularly anything well. I guess you could say they do long range neuting well, but it, it's not, it's not that great.

Small gang lancers. No.

Snipereagle1:

I have a message for everyone from Scotty Lou in my fleet who says, friendly reminder to cycle your guns.

Asher Elias:

There you go. That was our other idea for, for killing the Keep, was that we could do this in, in Corvettes, like in rookie ships and just put blasters on them. We thought Rifters would be better.

Are cytoserocins worth huffing? I have no idea, my friend.

Can you remind people to stand up and stay hydrated? That's a great call Nikolai.

Phi Delphi says water is for the weak. Do you know there's some people who don't drink water? Like they literally just drink soda, like they never have water.

Linemember:

How dare you call me out like that?

Asher Elias:

All you guys Xing up, that is, this is not appropriate.

Linemember:

There's water in coffee, right?

Asher Elias:

Ugh.

Linemember:

Wilford Brimley would like to have a talk with you about the Betus.

Asher Elias:

I drink six coffees a day, no water. Bro.

Asher, when will this space south of us be transferred to us? So you're talking about space that is owned by another Imperium alliance is going to a different one. If so, that'll be happening. I mean, starting relatively soon. No, Southeast, I don't know what space you're talking about then, we don't. Oh, oh, okay. See. We've already got some new SOV as of like yesterday.

Can we drop dreads on PH soon? That's definitely a future plans thing.

I do wanna talk about, like, let's talk about Titans. X-up You don't have a titan, but you want to own one. Alright. There's a lot of Xs. So, the Titan is become a very good hull again, and obviously, there are many old timers who have them, but, now is the time to start working to them. Like you can reasonably afford one if, hang on a second. Getting a, yeah, you can like reasonably afford one. But it's a lot of work to do it, like, on just spinning one Ishtar . So have a lot of like different ways to make money. I would say probably the most like reasonable way that you could get your own Titan is by running beacons. Like you can eventually get a Titan out of running Beacons. You probably won't Ishtar spin your way to a Titan. Yeah. PI's a good way to get, just extra free money every month. And then, zealous, retort says industry plus reactions. Yeah. If you do reactions, it's a good way to do it. Zoe says, I reasonably afforded mine by credit card warrioring. That that's fine. Not an option for everyone. You can, yeah, you can do Ishtar to Titan if you run multiple Ishtars, like if you're running five Ishtars, then that becomes more of a possibility.

What is the best beacon runner? What do we recommend? It's an RNI, right?

Unknown:

Yeah. RNI.

Asher Elias:

Yeah.

Apple Pear:

Also, like

we just talked about incursions, that we will have a lot of those, so make sure you join incursion SIG if you want to make ISK.

Asher Elias:

Mm-hmm. Is there a plan to expand beehive so there's more active when we set a new home, I suggest 23/7 smiley face. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where if you wanna be the change you wanna see Basik_zero, you can volunteer to do it, but, we, yeah, we're gonna have beehive as much as possible. There is a lot more space to beehive than it was before, and I expect there'll be more people trying to mess with it. So there'll be more opportunities to fight them as well. So it should be very fun.

Are there Pi Planet Maps available for the new region? I don't think so yet Lazy Vong.

We wanna get Beehive up as soon as possible, but we do need to get like some upgrades in first, you know, wait some time. That's the, basically the wait. I'll talk to the guys. I want to get it running as soon as possible, even if it's sort of a, a gimped version to start with.

Can I join beehive in a panther? I don't know the official rules. You should be able to, is what I'm saying. But I don't know what their rules are.

Unknown:

You can, we just don't count Panthers as ships in fleets. So you're just there having fun.

Asher Elias:

You're not a real human being, is what they're saying. Isn't that a Minmatar ship? The panther?

Linemember:

Typhoon. You should love it.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. It's like when someone brings a Naglfar to a dread op. Yeah. Kind of.

John Hartley:

There's nothing wrong with Naglfars.

Asher Elias:

I agree. Except we don't recommend 'em at all.

With Titans becoming more viable, is the recommendation still to go for dreads first than a Titan or directly to a Titan? That's a great question, Visia, yes. You should have a dread before you get to a Titan. It's a, it's a much more reasonable goal, like just you can get a dread on essentially any kind of budget if you just save up a little bit. But getting a titan is, is a lot more work.

Titan flavor preference? Great question Plaid Rabbit. So we would like you to have probably Levi is the number one titan we're talking about right now, but Levi, Ragnarok Erebus, and then way behind is the Avatar. We, we, in fact, we so little want you to get an Avatar that if you don't have a titan and an Avatar is the one you want, we won't build you an Avatar. We will build another Titan. We'll give it to someone who has an Avatar that wants to get out of it, and then we'll give you their Avatar. Like, that's how we do it, because we just do not want any more Avatars.

Top three fast food restaurants. Chick-fil-A gotta be number one, man. Quality's always good.

Super preferences. I don't think that one is as like. We have a really as hardcore one. I think Nyx is the best one if I remember correctly, but I think you can basically get any super that you wish. Probably Nyx, then Wyvern Aeon Hel and those three are probably right after the Nyx. I would guess.

Are faction Titans worth in combat or just shinies never to use. So we're like the only alliance that lets people use their faction titans, in a Titan battle. You should be aware that the money that you spend would be better spent on three Titans. Now you can get one if you want to. I'm not gonna say no, but like yeah, you'll probably get primaried and you that money if you wanna just focus on pure utility would be better spent on three Titans. So, but it's your choice. Faction, titans, yeah. When we SRP Titans, we do not give you a faction titan back. You get a, like if you have Molok dies, you get an avatar.

Apple Pear:

I think we should give them an Erebus instead of avatar.

Asher Elias:

Well, yeah, whatever. We'll get you a, a regular titan.

What do you get if you lose a croissant? I don't know whether croissant replacement would be, probably just give an Erebus out too.

What's wrong with the avatar? It's just not as good as the other titans. It used to be the best titan and so everyone has them. And so first of all, titans are generally overly EM tanked because that's what the avatar does. The guns aren't very good. Like the lasers are not particularly good. They're not terrible. The doomsday is the worst of them, and the tank is not good for the modern situation. So it's the avatar is like a pretty bad titan, but overall, like you just have the worst doomsday and you have the worst phenom. That's not, doesn't really like, doesn't really matter too much, but yeah, the worst doomsday, the guns are like mediocre at best, and the tank is pretty poor all things considered.

Apple Pear:

It's still better than no titan.

Asher Elias:

Yes, exactly. Like if your heart is set on the avatar and you get an avatar, we don't tell you not to get it. We just tell you the priority.

Can I build a different titan and trade it for an avatar? Sure. Definitely. Leviathan. We will get you a Titan avatar. Yes.

Should the Titan be on a separate character altogether? Yeah, definitely. Like if you don't put a titan on your main please, like you, it leads to these sort of like weird situations where it's a major fight and you're like, oh, I wanna go on the Subcap fleet, but what if they call for titans? And then like a lot of times Titans get called for, this is just the way EVE fights work. Like you guys have been in dread fleets where we've formed dreads up, and then we don't drop them. Right? That happens. It happens even more with Titans. That's just how Eve works. So if you have the titan on your main, then you just end up sitting on your main in a titan that never undocks. You're like, well, that's really not fun guys. Why didn't we use the Titan? Well, because we're gonna use them at the right time. It's a huge wager to use a Titan in a Titan fight. You know, these things happen once every few years on average in EVE online. In the last like five years, they haven't happened because of CCP decisions. So, it's very good to put your titans on alt. Do not put a titan on your main.

Apple Pear:

Please do it with all caps on alt.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. Yeah. I don't like, my main only can fit into hubris. And that was just for the meme.

Have you docked here, the alarm going off inside the Keepstar? Is that like a, is do keeptars have alarm when they're about to blow up now?

Nemahs Aideron:

Yeah, there's an alarm in there.

Asher Elias:

Really?

Nemahs Aideron:

Yeah. It screams at you that the hull is vulnerable as you're getting shot.

Asher Elias:

Ah, that's cool. Well, I, I wouldn't dock right now because it might, you might not undock, but, that is interesting. I didn't know about that.

Loaner Nine asks in my fleet, Asher, did the Erebus become more desirable with the plating and shielding increased bonuses? Yeah, so the Erebus has an extra mid, which, like in old Titan fights wouldn't have mattered, but in the era of dual tank, it actually matters a lot. The reason being is with the Erebus and the Avatar have relatively similar EHP, very close. So if you're getting DD'd, you're just gonna lose your Titan to the DDs anyway. Like you, you die. That's just how a Titan fight works. Right. But if you're getting gunned down, which is a lot, happens to a lot of titans in a fight, like there will be dread shooting you, there'll be other titans, there'll be whatever shooting you, right? If you're getting gunned down, the Erebus can essentially get like 40% more reps than the Avatar, because the Avatar does have shields, but it's not nearly as good as the Erebus. So the Erebus can effectively get like double reps. Which makes it a lot easier to save an Erebus that is being shot than, than to save an avatar that's being shot. Our avatars do have a shield tank, like that is part of the fit, but it is not nearly as good as the Erebus. Since the Erebus is a Gallante ship, which, you know, theoretically can be run a shield configuration, they're better to be shield. So, and the Phenom is the best one. The Erebus Phenom is the best, single one in the game, like not even close really. So it's very valuable for that. So that's why I like Erebus and like I said, getting a doomsday. Like if you're a doomsday primary, you just did your job as a titan, you heat, you see if you can, you know, eat as many doomsdays as possible and then you die. And that's just how a titan fight goes. And if that happens, you won't, like, you'll tank the same amount of doomsday as an avatar, but you'll be more useful.

How are supers in the current meta? So the meta has changed a lot, Ben Sheller, and you know, you will only know when it happens, but we think supers have a strong place in it.

Apple Pear:

I'm just going to say if you own a super, please also buy a carrier for the same character.

Asher Elias:

Yeah, that should be a bare minimum.

Any use for T1 carriers? Yeah, carriers definitely have a use.

Which Titan would currently be primary asks flood. So it depends, like it's been different in different fights. Generally the one that doesn't get primaried is the Leviathan. I can tell you that, but it's usually Avatar and Erebus are the main primaries, with Ragnarocks being like the secondary primary. Or if you're like test and you fit a bunch of gyros on your Ragnarock, then it becomes the main primary. But yeah, it's generally those three with Levies being skipped, but I think in the new world order that Levies will get primaried as much as well too. So. But yeah, that was the old way it happened. And, right. If you DC it, it raises your odds a lot, right? If you run the wrong fit, because they will have like ship scanners to check your fits. So it, it'll be like, it. It's like when a herd of zebra goes by, the sick zebra gets killed first. It'll be like that.

Apple Pear:

Also it's very important in those fights, et cetera. If you DC do not speak on comms about it because they will have comms spies and see you key up and then find your character that way.

Asher Elias:

Yeah, it's good to like convo the FC or put it in the appropriate channel is better. Visia says what is the appropriate amount, sorry, approximate amount of SP and ISK that needs to be plowed into a new toon to get into a Titan. Can we get some toons in Elysium? Thanks. To answer your question, I don't know how much you need to have as far as like ISK for sp. But and you know, if you need ISKies for your Toonies, just start training now. You know, you don't have to plug any SP into it until you actually get the Titan. The Titan itself is like, what about 200 right now guys, to build one? Over 200. Yeah, so you're probably talking about once you get the fit, maybe in the range of like 230, 240.

Ranger Gama:

Implants in, 250, something like that.

Asher Elias:

Yeah.

Apple Pear:

And what, and what you can do is just create a new account for it with on and make, keep it alpha until you have the first 5 million skill points trained. So then you train those for free at least.

Ranger Gama:

Timing wise, a lot of people are talking about it in there. It's a year to 18 months. Depends on remaps, if you use skill injectors, all that kind of stuff.

Asher Elias:

Make sure we're cycling guns here too. Yeah. If you want guys, like, yeah. Some of you're talking about avatar five, whatever, like I'm stuck there. Then you have an avatar pilot. Like there's, there's no world where having a titan is, is bad. Right. If you have an avatar, we're very happy that you have an avatar. So, you know, don't, don't be wringing your, your hands about it. Like an avatar is 95% of a titan, like the best titan. Right? So it, it, you know, you still have, you still have a titan.

Apple Pear:

And, and in, in a year or two years, then Avatar might be the best titan again, like the CCP changes things a lot. So those things change also.

Asher Elias:

Exactly. In Eve, everything old becomes new again. You can talk to someone who flew what is now the worst doctrine and at some point it was the game's best doctrine except arbitrators. They've always been terrible.

Will the Nag that come back? Potentially. I mean it will eventually. Yeah.

Asher, are we nervous about CCP and EVE being sold? I am, yes. I'm not gonna flip out until something actually happens though. There's no reason to, to get upset about something like that, you know?

So I wanted to talk a little bit about Innominate, but like a lot of people are feeling pretty, pretty rough about the whole situation. So, I'm just gonna do a real short thing and just say that Innominate was a friend of ours. He was a goon who was responsible for, a lot of stuff that happened. You know, he was basically our IT guy. He was, you know, he was a very early goon, and he was a friend to a lot of people. And so when he passed away from cancer, we named the palace after him. And he was definitely a guy who liked a little chaos. And so I think he would've really appreciated this. But you know, this is like an emotional time for a lot of people because this is a, you know, memorial and a monument to him. And, but I think the Viking funeral would've been something that he liked to see. So, if you didn't know Innominate, it's, you know, it's sad because the world is, a little worse with him being gone. But he was a great guy and that's what the, the palace is named after him.

Someone asked about clones in the Keep. I did not lose my clone when Jay did the thing, so I have, I can pull it up right here. I have a high grade amulet pod that I have left in the Keep. So I will also lose something in the palace.

John Hartley:

Standing in solidarity with all the people that did lose clones.

Asher Elias:

Yep.

Ranger Gama:

So those of you asking about killing that Polaris figate, you can't. Not saying we don't want your to, CCP won't let you, you can't kill those.

Asher Elias:

Yep. Make sure your guns are cycling. Make sure you're shooting the keep, you wanna get on the mail. You wanna start shooting now.

Will the mail generate? We hope so. I mean, CCPs here, obviously you've got Jotun on the stream. They're paying attention, they've been pinging about this. They wanted to make this an event. So, they have an, you know, incentive to make sure the kill the kill mail generates.

Ranger Gama:

So how many characters or accounts should someone have? This is a game, dude. That's up to you. We can't tell you how to play your game, man. If you want one account, if you want 10 accounts.

Asher Elias:

I have the answer. If you're like, if you play EVE seriously, it's three or more is the answer. Like three or more is like, you can do whatever you want, like what, like Ranger said. But the answer is like three or more. If you're like a player who wants to do stuff. That's sort of the number I'd say.

Apple Pear:

And a minimum is two. One for your, your main and one for your CAD alt. You need a second account, that's all.

Asher Elias:

Yeah, that one's free.

Ranger Gama:

That's fair enough on that one.

Asher Elias:

Yeah, with three, you can have a subcap main, you can have, a dread and a fax on two different accounts. You can have a dread and a carrier. You can have a dread and a Titan, Titan, and a fax. Like, you know, the combinations are really easy with three accounts. Also, just for doing PVE, it's really nice to have three, 'cause you can have like two accounts. Like for instance, if you wanna do Krabquals, you can have two Krabquals and then you can have one guy who can drop the beacons. Like there's a lot of things that just three makes it easy, I would say. And so for me, that's the magic number. For EVE accounts, that's generally... I have up to 10 active at one time, but I always have three. Right now I have eight active, but I always have three.

So we are all Asher alts. That explains why my PC's chugging.

I still have a Heron in the keepstar. Can we let it repair and tell everyone to go home so I can grab it?

You got it right. But that is what we said. One regular account and one CAD alpha. That is the minimum.

If you're willing. Yeah. That is the other thing is if you're willing to set up PI on all those accounts, which I think is easier now that they have it saved, you can actually make a lot of nice income just by doing that. And then you can also use alts. Once you're happy with your training, you can use alts to farm skill points as well.

Linemember:

But isn't it also wrong to say that you have to have three EVE accounts to be a active player? I mean.

Asher Elias:

I said serious. Not active. Active is one.

Linemember:

Okay, then isn't it wrong to say you have to have three accounts to be serious?

Asher Elias:

It's my opinion, like I'm telling you my opinion.

Linemember:

Your opinion is shit.

Asher Elias:

Cool. Thanks.

Linemember:

No, no, it's fine. I've been the same place. I've also had three accounts and done all of that. I just think it, it, it shouldn't, I mean, people that have one account are also able to be serious players.

Apple Pear:

People with one account are spies.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. No, I mean, like we just said, you could run one account. We're not telling you what you have to do. My opinion is to be a serious player, you have three accounts. Like if you want to run one and that's what you run, that's a hundred percent fine. I just think, I just think three is the sweet point for not having to manage too much, but for it being easy to play EVE easily. Like it's a game where multi boxing is encouraged no matter what CCP says. Right? And so, so..

Linemember:

Absolutely.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. So three is my opinion. If you're in here and you're like, wow, Asher just said, I'm not a serious player. That's not what I'm saying. My opinion is three is what like a serious player would wanna do to make it as easy as possible on themselves.

Linemember:

Perfect. Fair enough. Understand.

Unknown:

And three is good for self-sufficiency as well.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. Yeah.

Linemember:

To be honest, from a person that, used to run multiple accounts and now down to one, it's, it is fun with multiple accounts. Yeah, but some of us just don't have that, what do you call it, time anymore.

Unknown:

Take one account. Go run DED complexes and make a couple of Billion and I that quite happily. If you really wanna put the time into it.

Linemember:

Sorry. Say again.

Asher Elias:

Guys. Can we keep it into Elysium for the time being? Appreciate you just trying to keep it in Elysium for now.

Did John agro. Can we kill John?

Unknown:

Yes.

Asher Elias:

Broadcast. Broadcast John. Broadcast John if you see his dread. If you're in range, you can shoot him. Alright, so guys, when this thing pops, we're just gonna watch it blow up. I'm not, I'm talking about the Keep, not John.

Linemember:

We're not supposed to have john prelocked?

Asher Elias:

You can just go ahead and whore on him. He's in a Naglfar sacrificing it.

John, can you make sure your drones aren't auto agro'd and don't kill my Polarized Rifter thanks.

John Hartley:

I hope you're moving Asher, I'm locking you.

Asher Elias:

Yeah, I'm moving. You can, you can shoot me if you want. Now everyone gets to find out how shitty the Rifter's lock range is.

Do you guys wanna try and crash Mumble after we after we kill the palace? Yes, we could run an Aaaaa chain. That will certainly break the server.

Linemember:

Why not?

Unknown:

So someone muted Everybody.

Asher Elias:

Yeah. None of our server guys are here. So, if we crash Mumble, I don't know how we'll fix it.

Angry Mustache:

Your priority speaker off?

Asher Elias:

Yeah. If you're, if you're gonna Aaaaaa chain and you have a priority speaker, you have to turn it off.

Linemember:

Isn't there a particular server guy that's on vacation?

Asher Elias:

Yeah.

Unknown:

I hope he has a monitoring.

Linemember:

Quick question. So if we kill this thing, is this still gonna crash the server in terms of the asset safety or is that being solved?

Asher Elias:

We don't think so. We're gonna find out.

Linemember:

You would, you would've thought that they, CCP have, pre sort of tried to organize that right.

Unknown:

CCP have actually tested what happens when this Keepstar dies.

Angry Mustache:

It dies on SISI all the time.

Asher Elias:

We're, we're testing it live. Yeah, we'll see. But yeah, it gets killed on SSI all the time.

Unknown:

No, I mean with load on, on the node.

Asher Elias:

Well, no. I mean, how would we, we're doing it right now.

Linemember:

Do it live.

Unknown:

Brought to you by rage, shadow legends.

Linemember:

John was perfect.

Nemahs Aideron:

All right. The people that were previously muted have been unmuted for the Aaaaa chain. Don't make me do more work, please. Thank you

Asher Elias:

Everyone. Shoot.

Linemember:

We're almost.

Asher Elias:

Make sure you shoot and make sure you're shooting that last blow. We'll watch the old girl explode for a little bit.

Linemember:

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