Fireside Chat Transcript 2025 11 22
Apple Pear:
Congratulations on winning Asher. They shouldn't being able to lose this anymore.
Asher Elias:
Thank you for cursing me, Apple.
Apple Pear:
You're welcome.
Asher Elias:
All right, I am watching my team play football, so I'm gonna be doing a brief fireside and then we'll have other directors here to answer any questions for you. Yes. If you need a super listed, please send me the details. Make sure you sign your post with your name that I can read. I'll be happy to list them for you. I am now the goonswarm personal secretary. I am the Batman. That's a British Army reference, not a comic book reference. Okay, good.
All right, so let's talk about what's going on here. We've got, mostly when we're finished with glassing the drones, we will be coming home this weekend. Excellent job. What they anchored and setup in a decade, we destroyed in two weeks. An amazing job from everyone. It's been three weeks of tumult. We have lived in unprecedented times. It's been a very interesting time.
Here's the thing that we need to do next, is not let victory defeat us. So, hang on. All right, so that's what we're working on now in leadership. That is what we're working on now. We are working on what is next. We have a pretty good plan. We're pretty happy with it, but that is our main goal coming forward.
I'm watching the Miami game, Miami Hurricanes Mifune .
Okay, so I have a couple things to talk about and tell you guys about. Do you remember the K-I Keepstar fight? The like only one that Horde blew up and really fought, the one that Vex did. So I'm gonna tell you guys the story of it. After that fight, some of you asked me on the fire side, hey, when are we anchoring the next one? And I was sort of artfully dodging it left and right, like, we'll see, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I can now declassify and release what happened there.
So we had a, as I recall, a corp with a bunch of supers and titans and stuff that wanted to join us. And there was no good route from Horde to us, and we anchored that Keepstar so they could defect. We actually didn't expect that Horde would sack up and fight us over it, and they did and they destroyed it. And then because they were worried that it was going to be some sort of invasion thing, they anchored their own Fortizar in the system as a defensive mechanism. So that corporation then used the Fortizar that was in that system to leave and mid their supers and titans safely and then jumped to our Keepstar from there. So I didn't wanna say at the time, obviously, 'cause they would've like pulled the acls or whatever. So I was just like, yeah, we're definitely dropping another one. It's coming. Don't worry about it guys. So we were having a hilarious laugh in command. We couldn't share it with you now, but I've been waiting to share that. It is now old news, doesn't matter anymore. But the reason we did not anchor another K-I one is because they did it for us and we were very happy to have them do that, though we got a good fight. We killed a bunch of ships, and then they accomplished our strategic objective for us. So I guess that was maybe the final ruse of the war of the ruses.
All right, so let's talk about Horde. They're now in Cloud Ring. Initiative has said, and I believe them, that they are only there for a limited amount of time, and I think that's probably accurate. So what will they do next? As far as I can tell, they have two options really. They can go to lowsec or they could fight over in Delve. I don't think there's really any other option for them to go anywhere else. We will not let them into the drone regions. They can't come back here. So their only other option would be Delve or Lowsec.
Now, Delve would be pretty interesting. They are large enough that they could take it, but they could lose, which means, which makes me believe that they won't do it. There's a chance, I mean like the groups in there would have a reasonable chance against Horde. Horde would still be favored, but they could lose. I just don't think that these guys would, I don't think that these guys have it in them to take a chance to losing, so my guess is Horde in Lowsec, I guess Initiative could let them stay in Cloud Ring. I just don't think they will. So I'm gonna guess that Horde will choose the path of least resistance and move to Lowsec. We'll see, I think that they have maybe a month or two left under the Initiative deal. I don't know the exact terms, but I do know it's limited time in the short to very near midterm. So, keep an eye on that situation. We've been watching their fleet sizes. They've been having relatively good numbers. For how badly they fail cascaded, they're still putting together, we've seen fleets from 75 to about 200. So, a two-hundred man fleet is a serious fleet. It's one fleet, but it's one almost full fleet.
Yeah, so, that's where they are right now. And if they're able to constantly get a 200 man fleet and they're able to get some of their capitals out of asset safety, they could be a real threat to take over Delve. But like I said, I'm skeptical that they'll do so.
Why did, why is Initiative helping Horde? I think Shine's just made a tactical error. I don't know that he would admit it publicly. I don't, I mean we all just go with the ideas we have. I think he thought that it was a fate accompli that Horde was gonna break up and that this was the best possible scenario because I think he believed that, and this is me speculating, you know, I don't know what his thoughts were, but I think he believed that Horde would have, most of Horde would end up in FRT, and that's a scenario he didn't want. It sort of ended up that way anyway because they failed so badly. But he didn't have that information at the time and sometimes you make those choices. So yeah, it just kind of ended up backing the wrong horse and now he's kind of stuck with a smelly roommate that he wants to get kicked outta the house, but it's hard to evict.
Alright, so tomorrow, Sunday we're gonna start pulling caps back to G-Q. So look for your pings then. And I'm gonna give you guys an update on the structures. According to these numbers that I'm seeing right here, we have killed 22 trillion in dead structures. That's 25 Keeps, 59 Sotiyos and 200 plus Fortizars, which is a insanely large number. And that's decades, a decade of them anchoring that stuff. I don't know how it compares to Delve Cynthia, but I think it's gotta be comparable.
Snipereagle1:
We did, however, break the world record on Keepstar Kills in a day, which is now set at five.
Asher Elias:
Yeah. Twice, right. I think we did that two days. So.
Snipereagle1:
Oh, did we do it twice?
Asher Elias:
I think...
Snipereagle1:
I know we had to cheese one of them.
Asher Elias:
Yeah, we did have to roll one into another day. Like we had to just slow play it, like old POS kiting basically. And I do believe that Sotiyo was the most expensive structure ever killed. It was like 700 bill or something.
So yeah, those are sort of the strategic situation. So we are gonna start wrapping up tomorrow. I mean, it's getting back, if you guys haven't read my post on Reddit, I did also ping it here. But basically we're going to let people develop in the drone lands. We're gonna leave them alone mostly. You don't really need to be worried about what's gonna happen there. You know, it's something that we do not wanna put our thumb on. Doesn't mean we're like saying we're never gonna go to the drones. It means that as an organized group, we're going to be trying to avoid it as much as possible. And the same goes for imperium allies for the time being. We're obviously gonna be keeping a close eye on it. And there are three keeps that we control in the drones, and two of those will be set up as like logistics. We basically, CCP wouldn't give us NPC space in the drones, so we made our own.
And someone asked about no roams in the drones. Argon, that's a good question. I would just not do anything for the first month or so. I would just avoid it entirely. I don't care about you roaming in the drones though. But I would just prefer to avoid us looking like, 'cause here's what's been happening. It's gonna be you and your buddies flying through there, but the, there's gonna be screenshot, Goons trying to stop us from taking space in the drones, they were lying. So I'd rather just avoid that. I want people to develop in the drones. Our goal is to have a healthy ecosystem. So, and there are a lot of people who have very bad intentions and will take anything they can in the most negative light when it comes to us. So I prefer not to give them ammo. So I'm not telling you guys, you can't roam the drones. I'm asking you to try to avoid doing so for the first month or so.
December. So we're coming up December, coming up to the holiday season. We have no like aggressive offensive plans through November and into December. There's no plans through November into December as far as deployments or major battles. Now, obviously if one comes up, we can still attend it, but we're not gonna be trying to make anything happen until January. So a lot of you guys are probably pretty burned out as far as you've been hell camping, you've been killing a bunch of stuff you haven't been making ISK, we're gonna give you guys about five weeks. There is new updates, there's new mining, there's all kinds of new stuff for you to do. Go ahead and do that.
That also gives you five weeks, five weeks to train your carrier on your main. You got it. As I was saying it, train the carrier on the main. We are not doing capital alt carriers. Your main pilot should be your carrier pilots.
New carrier doctrine? As far as announcing it. Probably, I don't know an exact date for that, Conrad, I have told you guys to start training this week. there you. Zintage says probably next week.
I told you guys there are three carriers in this game. The Nidhoggur, the Thanatos, and the Archon. You can train any one of those three that exist in the game.
Snipereagle1:
There is no chimera in Ba Sing Se.
Asher Elias:
What the, the what? Chimera? Yeah. There's three Carriers in this game and I think Sniper's high. So be training that. Pick your one right now and if you guys want to, like, if one of you guys wants to show up in an armor Chimera, we won't SRP it, but I will laugh and I won't kick you out of the fleet as long as it's armor like if you want to be that Baltec idiot in your armor Chimera that dies first. Why not?
Zintage Enaka:
Allawa, not you.
Kazanir:
I feel compelled to point out that the other Caldari carriers are excellent. The skill is worth training for their sake.
Asher Elias:
The Wyvern rules. Yeah.
Kazanir:
Yeah, exactly. Right. It's not like that.
Asher Elias:
I actually, guys, I watched Avatar, the last Airbender for the first time ever. I just finished it. I got to watch a lot of it on my trip. I was flying so I finally got, I got that Ba Sing Se reference. I'm gonna admit something super embarrassing. You know, some people have accused me of being smart and I wanna dispel those rumors. The there is no war on Ba Sing Se. I thought like ever since I heard that, I was sure that was a 1984 Ministry of Truth reference. I'm like that, that must have been from 1984 and I just don't remember the line. But that must be something that Ministry of Truth was telling people. I thought it was like a really highbrow reference that people were making. In fact, I might have even said it at some point, just thinking I was referencing the book I read in high school and not realizing it was an Avatar reference that I never got.
Heartstone, Zintage just said a week for those fits.
So yeah, we're going to be moving to a main fleet carrier doctrine. So train in one of those three. Someone just said that 400 people are gonna do the armor Chimeras now that I've said them, actually, maybe that was the plan all along. Maybe now we don't have to SRP 400 armor Chimeras, but we get, you know, 70% of the value. Hmm. That'd be cool too.
Apple Pear:
This is also nice in time for the Secret Santa, like everybody getting carriers. Yeah. Secret Santa.
Asher Elias:
That's a great word. Apple. So, guys, please, please, I've always thought so super cringe. When you're making your Secret Santa and you make a Zhentar or Zintage thing, don't put a titan and please don't put a faction titan. Like no one has that kind of money to give to someone they don't know. It's so cringe. If you want something super cool, and you think that someone might, ask for a marshal, right? That's like the top of what you should ask for. Please don't be the cringe lord who asks for a Titan or even a worse a faction Titan. Yeah, some random person's gonna give you a Komodo. I'm gonna lose my mind if I see that. I'm gonna lose my mind if I see that. So, yeah. But a carrier is an amazing thing to ask for, for Secret Santa that, I mean, I don't think that's anywhere near the base level that should be like what you're thinking about at the top, but I think there are gonna be some wealthy Goons who'd be willing to give out a carrier at the top end of the secret Santa. Maybe an armor Chimera might be the fun one to ask for because.
Snipereagle1:
So there's tons of people asking about like which ones and whatnot. There's a bunch of support skills you can train before you pick a carrier skill book. Zintage will be a better one for a tier list, but I think the tier list is like Thanatos Nid Archon?
Asher Elias:
I think it's Thanatos Nidchon, like I think those are. In my opinion, probably gonna be pretty close.
Zintage Enaka:
Look it, it's Thanatos and then Arcon and Nid right next to each other.
Asher Elias:
Yeah, it's Nidchon number two right there. And they're not far apart really. So don't worry about.
Snipereagle1:
Archon's tankier. The bonuses are better on the Nidhoggur.
Asher Elias:
Yep. There you go. We should have fits hopefully in about a week. I would just, once again, I would train for the one that you think is cool. I imagine we're gonna have a lot of Thanatos, a lot of Nidhoggurs and not a lot of Archons is gonna be my guess, but we'll see.
Snipereagle1:
Also, don't worry about T2 fighters.
Asher Elias:
Yeah, T1 .
Snipereagle1:
That's a stretch goal because by getting the skills for T2 fighters, you make your T1 fighters better too, but.
Kazanir:
Right, definitely train the skills.
Zintage Enaka:
What is going to be important guys? Jump drive calibration five because I swear I am not figuring out how to get you home if you show up without JDC five.
Asher Elias:
By important, it means required. Like, and so that will be the thing to train. So if you're wondering like, Hey, which flavor should I train? And you don't have JDC five, train that now, train JDC five right now. Plug that one in before anything else.
Some people were asking like, which one I think is the best? I dunno, I kinda like the Archon the best personally. I am training it right now, by the way, I'm training it right now. By the way.
Kazanir:
Says JDC five will put hair on your chest. That's a real train. I want be, it's so accurate.
Apple Pear:
27 days left for JDC five on my main.
Asher Elias:
Yep, I'm training it right now.
Sarah Bjorndottir says, Asher, as Horde fail cascaded, I am reminded that many of our new members do not recall why they used to be eternal foes. It also came to my attention that next to no one remembers Kartoons or DJ, nor why we have the leadership structure we have. Could Gooniversity host history with old heads and tell our new and older members about this. That's a great idea. I think that probably in the last few years we have gotten a little bit behind on telling you about our history. I think that's a big part of what, you know, ties us together. So I think that that's a great suggestion.
People are asking what Logi will there be running? There will probably be a few faxes, but the main Logi, oh my goodness, gimme a break. The main Logi will be Subcapital Logi. Almost certainly guardians. Almost certainly guardians.
Apple Pear:
So train the skills that you're able to conduit because that's an added bonus because we probably need that.
Zintage Enaka:
I'll be honest with you.
Asher Elias:
I don't think so.
Zintage Enaka:
Don't, don't waste your skill points on that. We're gonna have like four or five people that train it and that's all you're gonna need.
Asher Elias:
And the base conduits, it's gonna still just take you five people, which will be enough anyway, so, but yeah, it's something you can train later if you want.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, it's a fucking ball ache of a train though, so don't prioritize it.
Zintage Enaka:
Yeah. From memory you need to have jump portal generation five to even train that skill. So you need the Titan skill to five to train a carrier skill.
Asher Elias:
Yeah. So no, we will have, we will probably have link ships as well. We haven't quite worked that out because there is, carriers can run links, but the link ships make them better. We're gonna have discussions on that. We will certainly have Logi and we will have support ships. That means like, hugin or a vigil or a hyena or whatever. So it won't be just carriers, but Logi will be the most important component other than carriers.
Zintage Enaka:
To the guy asking why no faxes, there will be faxes. The way you need to look at these carriers is you need to look at 'em like a battleship fleet. So we bring our subcap logi with battleships, but then every once in a while we'll drop four or five faxes to rep the battleships. It's gonna be the same thing for these carriers. Don't think of 'em as carriers. Think of 'em as a battleship fleet.
Asher Elias:
Think of them, and this is something Zintage said. So to give them credit, think of it as like a Rokh fleet. You guys have been in a Rokh fleet. They're not super fast, but you move around, right? These carriers are not gonna be just sitting in a ball doing nothing. You will be anchored up, you will be moving, you'll be treating it like a battleship fleet. So, shoot, all right, well. That sucks. Anyway. Yeah, you're gonna be anchored up. You'll be moving. And so the reason we won't be doing faxes as the default logi is because faxes have to stop. I'm not losing, I'm just gonna, I just wanna lower the margin of victory. That's all. The other thing that is, we will probably bring faxes with us that won't siege because a fax outta siege with the drones is still like one guardian's worth of reps. You can use your logi drones until we call for you to siege. Anyway, that's basically the situation with that. But like I said, or like especially as Zintage said, it's gonna be like a battleship fleet. Think of like Rokhs, we'll be mobile in the way that Rokhs are mobile, except we'll be much more mobile for getting places because we can gate and we also can carry, like everyone can carry the, like move speed, refits, I dunno what to call those. Travel fits. That's what we call 'em, right? Everyone can carry the warp accelerators and I-Stabs and you can just refit off everyone in the fleet as you're warping. So for taking gates, we can actually move pretty fast through systems almost as fast as the battleship fleet can take gates. But we can also just jump. So this should be more mobile than a battleship fleet. It should be quicker than a battleship fleet to get place to place. And if we're gating, it will be a little slower, but we'll have the option. We're gonna have the option of a lot of refits and we're gonna have ships in the SMA as well to have different options. There's gonna be a lot of cool things we're gonna do. We've been having a lot of talk about it. It's gonna be really nice. So just be aware that this is gonna be a very different kind of fleet and it should be very cool to run.
I know a lot of you guys were not super impressed with the patch notes. We are very high on them. We think they're gonna be really good. Only as far as I can tell, and honestly, I haven't been too plugged into Intel recently. I think only like NCDot has really got on board with this. So I think other people are gonna wait and see us use it and if we just smash them, then they're gonna have to do sort of emergency, Hey everyone, let's do this. But we should be way ahead of the game. 'cause we started training hopefully two weeks ago and we should be done with sort of the subcap training coming into January. Huh. That's interesting timing, isn't it? So just think about that, make sure you're training that right now and you know, I think there's gonna be some skill points that are given out on the holiday giveaways. So that's something you use those for. I would also, I'm not a learning clone kind of guy, type of guy, but I think this is a good time to use it.
Snipereagle1:
One important question from chat that I wanted to hit real quick is somebody asked about the like NSA-ISA switch. So there's a two month window where carriers can continue to use NSAs. After that, they will use ISAs. The fits are all gonna have ISAs on them. The Alliance is gonna have a trade-in program. We just need to do some stuff to get it set up. And then there'll be a post up and you'll basically just be able to do an exchange contract to like the Logi corp or something where you offer, you know, one NSA and you request one ISA and we'll do the swap for you and it won't cost you anything.
Asher Elias:
Rye says he trained the Nid before. Sure. I mean, remember, we are talking about on your main here. You know, we have always encouraged you to do separate capitals and this is gonna be the pretty much the first time we've ever asked you to do a capital on the main. And this will be, we do not want like your dread alt in a carrier. That is the worst case scenario. If you're like, I don't wanna do this on my main, I'll just do it on my dread alt. Don't bring that person, don't bring your dread alt to this fleet. That'll give us a false sense of security. So if you don't want to train this on your main, just don't come on the fleet or come in a sub because we want every one of those capitals that is currently existing, all those Dreads, Titans, Supers to still be available. This is a battleship fleet. This is not a capital fleet. It should not be replacing any capital fleet we might run. So if you are not, if you're not willing to train the carrier on your main, just don't come to this fleet in a capital alt, bring a subcap or go on another fleet. That's sort of how we're gonna run this.
Apple Pear:
And to the people asking, yes, they will be Asher Fit.
Asher Elias:
Yeah, probably.
Snipereagle1:
There will be so much bullshit in the cargo.
Asher Elias:
So much room for activities.
Zintage Enaka:
I hope you guys are ready for your ghost riding HICs.
Asher Elias:
Yeah, ghost riding is definitely something I've thought about for sure.
Beyondnoxx UNP:
I think that's the reason why I chose them. More refitting space.
Asher Elias:
My team has started to really suck ever since I started doing this fireside. I think I'm being karmically punished, so I think I need to go back. I'm gonna throw it over to our other directors. They can answer your questions. Thanks for coming this week guys. I will talk to you later and I'm gonna let the other directors answer your questions now. Bye.
Snipereagle1:
Bye. I'll hit real quick. 'cause before people like start leaving in mass, which they already are, so we will start doing move ops in earnest tomorrow. We have another big timer wall tonight, and then after that we can hit we can hit everything from C-J easy enough. So. By tomorrow, I mean after the timer wall in USTZ tonight. So yeah, starting like euro tomorrow, we should have move ops. Give us a couple days to get, and like, we'll have Titan Bridges as well, so, you know, people have subs and whatnot. If you have a bunch of subs out there for whatever reason, talk to your friends, talk to your corp mates, try to get stuff into SMAs so that you're not like, well, I have 10 maelstroms out here and I need to bridge them one at a time. Yep. And then there's a bunch of Delve911, beehive when, we need to work on getting our shit out of drones for a couple of days. So give us a couple of days, but we will probably be back to relative normalcy midweek.
Apple Pear:
And don't we have next week also Locust?
Snipereagle1:
Oh, yes. Good point. We have, I just got like three DMs and Apple mentioned it. Yep. So we have Locus weekend on Friday. We are back to Immensea this time around, we will be doing it the same way we did the Detorid one where we're not just gonna get, let you know the, the rock train keep rolling and then other time zones don't have anything to mine. So there'll be stuff for each time zone.
Zintage Enaka:
Someone keeps asking about skill planner, when the doctrines released, Stickz will get around to making skill plans for it. It's kind of his thing. And yes, we will be using mid-grade amulets for the carriers.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, the most important thing, we already kind of mentioned this a little bit, but when people are asking about skill plans, yeah, jump cal five is your first thing that you need to do as a prereq for carriers. And then from there you wanna work on your fighter skills. You also wanna work on your support fighter skills because the recent buff to carriers is giving them an extra tube and a focus on the support fighters. So you'll wanna have the fighters skill, the support fighters skill. You'll probably wanna shoot to have fighter hanger management at four, five. But yeah, so light fighters, support fighters, the normal fighters skills. So focus on that stuff. And then, you know, once we put the fits out, you know, we'll have a better like priority and then you can decide which carrier skill you actually wanna train.
Zintage Enaka:
A good place to look for carrier skills right now guys, is just to look at the capswarm carrier skill plans.
That's not really changing. I don't believe we're planning to set up fighter SRP at this point. Maybe later, but right now, no. There's not a good way to track that you've lost fighters. Like, if you lose a fighter squadron, you get a killmail. But if you only lost like one or two, it's trust me, bro. I lost two fighters.
Apple Pear:
That's why you should just use T1 fighters.
Snipereagle1:
Does anybody have any questions that are not the same questions about carriers again?
Oh, this is a good point. Thank you for spamming very hard Camaro. We've obviously been a little preoccupied since Tuesday when the patch dropped, so we know very little about the new mining sites so far. They are free for all. Nah, fuck off Atrum. I appreciate her getting my attention. But yeah, so the new mining sites are free for all, just like the escalations are, right. So we here in goons don't like making rules we don't have to make, so please don't make us have to have some kind of like bullshit rules around these because people can't play nicely. The sites are huge. I haven't seen one on TQ, but I did the mass test on Singularity and the rocks in them are massive, so there's plenty to share. Oh yeah. We will find out more about those as time progresses and we get back to mining. Go ahead Zintage.
Zintage Enaka:
Crazy, since you keep asking. Ghost riding is when you jump out of your carrier, you eject from it, hop into another ship that was in your SMA, and then your carrier just sits there in space while you're flying the other ship, and then you get back into your carrier at the end.
Snipereagle1:
Somebody asked about CAD Alts, TBD, and if you don't have one, don't really worry about it for right now. We are working on figuring out what we want to do with them. Also, Zintage finally got off his ass and got Feroxes nerfed, so.
Zintage Enaka:
You're welcome? I'll be honest with you guys, I am considering having everyone roll new characters for a Battleship CAD, but we'll see.
Kazanir:
Wait, wait a second. Can't I still take credit for the Feroxes getting nerfed?
Beyondnoxx UNP:
No, you're not on the CSM anymore.
Snipereagle1:
You're not a CSM anymore.
Kazanir:
Yeah, but it, it happened before they.
Zintage Enaka:
We haven't done the swap over yet. Technically Kaz can steal it from me. Okay.
Kazanir:
They all want me gone. I'm doing my best to cause as much trouble as possible. Don't worry.
Snipereagle1:
I didn't think Kaz knew anything about ships that don't have jump drives though.
Kazanir:
They are very confusing. I use them to light cynos.
Beyondnoxx UNP:
I was just about to say, I seen you light a cyno.
Apple Pear:
I have a lot of time Kazanir.
Snipereagle1:
The jump drive.
Apple Pear:
Not having to deal with CSM anymore like that. That's amazing.
Zintage Enaka:
If you guys haven't figured it out by now. Kaz is just stealing all the credit for everything this year so he can go out on a bang.
Kazanir:
I'm so excited to not learn a single bit of additional NDA information.
I'm going to drop a Sotiyo, it's going to be awesome.
Snipereagle1:
Free at last.
Beyondnoxx UNP:
Old man on the porch.
Snipereagle1:
In his garden chair.
Zintage Enaka:
But if we decide to keep CAD as it is, there will be more CAD move ops. Otherwise it's unknown. Just leave them where they are for now. We'll figure it out.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, pretty low on our priorities. Cuddle time asked, did we get any good war trophies to drop in C-J? I don't really think so. And, we're not doing the structure spam that we had in 1DQ because lots of people's computers were crying from that many structures on the same grid.
Zintage Enaka:
Not to mention it liked to break the grid quite often.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah. What else we got? Orcas when? You can find orcas whenever you want to, just check ZKill.
Zintage Enaka:
We're not SRPing Odysseus' if you wanna bring it on the fleet that's on you. Good luck. You'll probably die.
Snipereagle1:
I'm gonna answer your question in voice, since you can't read and see all the other times and maybe can't listen because it's been answered a bunch of times. But dreads are for Alts, carriers are for mains. Oh, now that Arch asks a question about the Palatine Keep star status. I think now that Horde is dead, we can officially say that is and always was a meme
Beyondnoxx UNP:
What?
Zintage Enaka:
No, no, no, no. We we're starting it over again. We have to start from zero but.
Snipereagle1:
It is impossible to build that structure. And I'm tired of telling people that's not the truth.
Zintage Enaka:
It's only the gullible people that think we're actually building it.
Snipereagle1:
I know, but the gullible people shit up Elysium every fireside.
Apple Pear:
They're still going to keep shitting.
Zintage Enaka:
I'll be honest, I think it's just. I don't think it's the gullible people shiting it up. I think it's people that just want to like keep the joke going to get the gullible people.
Snipereagle1:
I know.
Kazanir:
They want their bingo square.
Apple Pear:
So I would say everybody tonight we have a nice night with lots of Killmails still, so join all the subcap fleets, join the cap fleets if we ping them, and come with us to kill, I think like 40, 50 more structures. And.
Snipereagle1:
33 Fortizars is still on the board, but yeah, at this point, guys, basically every timer we form for are kills.
Zintage Enaka:
Since people keep asking. Your super carrier pilot is not your normal carrier pilot in this case, like you should have a carrier on your main and then you should still have a normal carrier for your super carrier pilot in case we need to like go somewhere that isn't six light years away.
Apple Pear:
So, basically people, when we do fights in the good things with battleships, then we drop our, if we escalate to a capital fight, we drop our capitals on our alts. And basically now our carriers are battleships. So we have a battleship fleet, and if we did escalate, we still drop our capitals on our alts to escalate. So like it's just more capitals, not less or other ways.
Beyondnoxx UNP:
Sniper. I just wanna point out, I had over five people PM me. You lied to me about the Palatine Keepstar.
Zintage Enaka:
Yo, dog. I heard you like capitals, so I added more capitals to your capitals.
Snipereagle1:
Finally, the people that sit and wait for cap pings that never come will join Main Fleet.
I'm gonna read this out sapphire. Can we fly carriers and dreads around CJ so we can have capitals on capitals in the capitol? Yo dog.
Kazanir:
We'll have carrier booshing races across the grid, starting at the Capitol undock. Who can reach McManfist the fastest using only carriers? We can make a car. The, you can anchor, you can anchor a line of bubbles all the way across. And make it say you have to boosh your way across while staying inside the line of bubbles, right? If you.
Zintage Enaka:
So I'm seeing the question about beehive with carriers. So the reason we do not typically use carriers with beehive is because how jump fatigue works. That is why we use the Black Ops battleships. They have a reduction to jump fatigue. If a drop needs carriers, we will put carriers in there. But most drops can just be handled by 30, 40 redeemers.
Snipereagle1:
I think people were probably asking for beacon running fits.
Zintage Enaka:
No. That was not what they were asking about there.
Snipereagle1:
Okay.
Zintage Enaka:
That was the question I was looking at was very much a, I want to drop my carrier with beehive to kill nerds.
Snipereagle1:
Oh yeah. No. We'll ping for them when we need them. Don't just YOLO carriers in with beehive. Will be annoying.
Anyways, guys, our first timer, our first kill for the day is in 26 minutes and 30 seconds, so we'll probably get forming for that soon.
Booshing football. This sounds hilarious, Kaz.
Kazanir:
Yeah, I mean, you think about it, if you could boosh an object across the field.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, yeah.
Kazanir:
You have the basics of football.
Snipereagle1:
You're cooking.
Zintage Enaka:
I'm here for this.
Kazanir:
What could you boosh for what? Okay.
Snipereagle1:
Hey CCP we just found a new esport for you that'll actually catch on.
Kazanir:
Right? Yeah. We can be anchoring a field with goals in C-J by tomorrow.
Zintage Enaka:
People are asking about ratting with carriers, I mean beehive's still not gonna try and save them. If you really want to go run anoms or whatever, good luck. But you're still too squishy for us to actually save you.
Snipereagle1:
I think the most football shaped spaceship in Eve has to be a providence. Yeah.
Kazanir:
True, sadly, un-booshable.
Snipereagle1:
Oh, can't boosh freighters? Fuck.
Kazanir:
No, of course not.
Zintage Enaka:
I think you can carrier boosh though.
Kazanir:
Yeah, of course.
Snipereagle1:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Like we weren't talking about using booshers Kaz. We were talking about carrier Booshing.
Zintage Enaka:
Odysseus might actually be pretty close now.
Kazanir:
Well, when I, when I conceived of the football idea, I assumed you would use destroyer level just for speed, but obviously both have their own hilarity and we should invent both.
Snipereagle1:
Still with, I was still with my head canon. If you don't know what sub caps are, so I assumed you meant carriers.
Kazanir:
Yeah, right. Regalan has an excellent point that this is a good case for Chimera.
Snipereagle1:
I mean, oh, you could, you could even do, you could do teams based on, based on which carrier you have.
Kazanir:
Oh God.
Snipereagle1:
Oh my God.
Zintage Enaka:
If you guys haven't figured it out at this point, there's probably nothing more useful that we're gonna say.
Snipereagle1:
We've, we've had a lot of, oh God, we have to get back out there firesides, so we're just bullshit today.
Apple Pear:
Command comms is even worse than this. I think the first time somebody. You know, like if when we have multiple fleets, somebody joins command comms, you're overwhelmed. You need to learn to like just mute things out in your head. Well, when you're in command comms because otherwise you cannot work, and that's just a skill you need to learn.
Snipereagle1:
Anyways guys, I think we'll call it here. Have a good weekend and enjoy the last of our kills and moving our way back to, back towards home this coming week.
Zintage Enaka:
You see this? We're stealing Asher's claps.
